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Thoughts on Gettleman and KK Short...


Jeremy Igo

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You just ask 'what happens if we do this?' for all your options and then pick the option that makes the most sense. What you don't do is throw a huge contract to a player for fear that teams like Philly will up the salary ceiling for a particular position. This organization has plenty of big salary goofs in its history as examples of how not to run a successful NFL team. Gettleman ain't no dummy.

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The scenario the Panthers are in oddly resembles the Patriots in 2015-2016...almost same situations and similar outcomes have already started....

2015 - Patriots don't resign Darrelle Revis in Free Agency (2016 - Panthers let Josh Norman walk)

2016 - Patriots trade their best defensive lineman (Chandler Jones)...A lot of mention was because they couldn't afford to keep him along with other key pieces (2016 - Short not traded yet)

Like Short, Chandler was coming off his best season (12.5 sacks), and the Patriots that year spent high draft picks on defensive lineman as possible insurance knowing that there was a high probability they wouldn't resign Chandler (1st round = DT, 3rd round = DE, and 4th round = DE). 

Panthers used a 1st rounder on Butler. Again...somewhat of similar set of circumstances between the two teams. 

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5 minutes ago, cardiaccat52 said:

The scenario the Panthers are in oddly resembles the Patriots in 2015-2016...almost same situations and similar outcomes have already started....

2015 - Patriots don't resign Darrelle Revis in Free Agency (2016 - Panthers let Josh Norman walk)

2016 - Patriots trade their best defensive lineman (Chandler Jones)...A lot of mention was because they couldn't afford to keep him along with other key pieces (2016 - Short not traded yet)

Like Short, Chandler was coming off his best season (12.5 sacks), and the Patriots that year spent high draft picks on defensive lineman as possible insurance knowing that there was a high probability they wouldn't resign Chandler (1st round = DT, 3rd round = DE, and 4th round = DE). 

Panthers used a 1st rounder on Butler. Again...somewhat of similar set of circumstances between the two teams. 

Excellent post 

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it seems like people are forgetting that he has 2016 plus a possible franchise tagged year in front of him.  that was a good point to bring up as the discussion over his extension/non-extension is already so frenzied.

e: and yeah, the patriots unflinchingly trading chandler jones is an excellent point too.  that's a young pass rusher on the cusp of his prime with an all pro/pro bowl type future in front of him and the pats just dealt him like it was no big deal.

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1 minute ago, nctarheel0619 said:

Except the difference between us and them, they have Super Bowl rings.  We have that lovely shitting of the bed this team did in February.  

the guy who made that point actually went into some level of detail contrasting the two decisions and the logic behind them whereas you're just doing your best imitation of a PFT commenter

 

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Just now, The NFL Shield At Midfield said:

the guy who made that point actually went into some level of detail contrasting the two decisions and the logic behind them whereas you're just doing your best imitation of a PFT commenter

 

Oh, so in essence, I didn't just state facts?  I mean, I think I did.  Because they do have rings, and we have nothing at all.  

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