Voth: what went wrong in the first half?

[pantherclaw]

50 minutes ago, greghardy'sAK-47 said:

well, at the end of the day whose job is it to have the players ready to go? and i'm not simply talking about a players being focused/unfocused problem.

if this were an uncommon occurrence i'd tend to agree it falls on the players on an individual basis, but we've seen this club consistently look flat in the 2nd half under the rivera regime. our staff seem slow/unable to react sometimes.  like they collectively get that rivera, dear in the headlights stare going on.  they are good at getting the ball rolling, but once they start to get figured out...

 

I'm so tired of the coaches didn't have them ready. Bullshit. 

Lazy players need to play for you so they always have an excuse.

[greghardy'sAK-47]

22 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

I'm so tired of the coaches didn't have them ready. Bullshit. 

Lazy players need to play for you so they always have an excuse.

are you not reading what i'm saying?  you were the one who came with lack of focus stuff.  i'm emphasizing the coaches consistently getting undressed in the 2nd half of games.  

[pantherclaw]

17 minutes ago, greghardy'sAK-47 said:

are you not reading what i'm saying?  you were the one who came with lack of focus stuff.  i'm emphasizing the coaches consistently getting undressed in the 2nd half of games.  

And I'm emphasizing that it's not within the coaches control, when the players are making mistakes, and shooting ourselves in the foot. You can blame the coaches all you want to, but at some point, you have to hold the players accountable to do their jobs/execute. 

Even the best coach of this.modern era, CONSTANTLY preaches, "do your job". 

 

[hepcat]

The only play that was straight up a coaching fail was the safety. You just don't call a long developing drop back pass play in the end zone. I don't care how good you think your offensive line is, you just don't do it. 

[TheRed]

I'm not a big fan of the Monday morning quarterbacking where you look at plays and say "AHA!", and see a guy open somewhere. If things were that easy, we would have blown Minnesota off the field in the first half.

Cam was something like 7 for 7 passing at first. I don't think it's that he suddenly got the derps, and forgot how to play football. He made mistakes, but I think our fan base has become spoiled with how tough he is, these hits, especially those involving his ankle do in fact contribute to issues. Our OL has to do a better job of protecting Newton, as well as Newton needing to do a better job of sometimes going for the easy completion instead of going for it all.

Overall that game was just a total clusterfug between coaches, and players. It's as simple as that really.

[panthers55]

4 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

And I'm emphasizing that it's not within the coaches control, when the players are making mistakes, and shooting ourselves in the foot. You can blame the coaches all you want to, but at some point, you have to hold the players accountable to do their jobs/execute. 

Even the best coach of this.modern era, CONSTANTLY preaches, "do your job". 

 

This.  Everyone constantly talks about accountability and coaches drill it into the players head daily.  It isn't as if the coaches don't tell the players exactly what to do, it is still up to the players to do it.

Some people act as if our coaches dont have a clue what adjustments others team will make at halftime and they clearly do. They watch mountains of film and have people whose jobs are to scout other teams and what they do in every situation before,  during and in between games. But ultimately the players have to recognize what the other team is doing and react accordingly.

[greghardy'sAK-47]

25 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

And I'm emphasizing that it's not within the coaches control, when the players are making mistakes, and shooting ourselves in the foot. You can blame the coaches all you want to, but at some point, you have to hold the players accountable to do their jobs/execute. 

Even the best coach of this.modern era, CONSTANTLY preaches, "do your job". 

 

so you are emphasizing one thing (that i haven't even disagreed with, by the way) and i'm emphasizing another.  so why did you even respond to me?  

if you think these coaches are above negative critique, then you are barking up the wrong tree with me.  

[Nick_81]

21 minutes ago, hepcat said:

The only play that was straight up a coaching fail was the safety. You just don't call a long developing drop back pass play in the end zone. I don't care how good you think your offensive line is, you just don't do it. 

Far from it... 

[pantherclaw]

33 minutes ago, greghardy'sAK-47 said:

so you are emphasizing one thing (that i haven't even disagreed with, by the way) and i'm emphasizing another.  so why did you even respond to me?  

if you think these coaches are above negative critique, then you are barking up the wrong tree with me.  

You're missing it  altogether. 

[t96]

2 hours ago, Donald LaFell said:

I feel like this takes too much from the Vikings, they spanked that ass 

They're a solid team mainly the defense and clearly made good adjustments at half but I do think we're the better team. We would have won that game if not for mistakes that the Vikings had nothing to do with, as Voth's article points out.

[t96]

1 hour ago, hepcat said:

The only play that was straight up a coaching fail was the safety. You just don't call a long developing drop back pass play in the end zone. I don't care how good you think your offensive line is, you just don't do it. 

The routes had developed well before Cam went down. That safety was partially on Cam, partially on Oher and partially on the receivers for not beating their coverage.

[outlaw4]

Definitely left points on the board the first half. That said, didn't appear we created opportunities for ourselves the second half. Makes me wonder whether we would've ended up blowing a big lead anyways like we did too often last season.

[Davidson Deac II]

3 hours ago, hepcat said:

The only play that was straight up a coaching fail was the safety. You just don't call a long developing drop back pass play in the end zone. I don't care how good you think your offensive line is, you just don't do it. 

I agree that you don't make that call.  But I am not sure what play was called.  We might have had a couple of quick routes, and a couple of long ones.  Or maybe you are right and its all long routes.  Watching the replay, Dickson was open on the left side of the field for about a 3-4 yard pickup.  Cam either didn't see him, or didn't have time to find him.  

 

 But I don't agree the safety is all on the coaching staff.  As a Quarterback, you have to know where you are on the field, and at the first sign of trouble, run it or throw it away.   Or both. 

[Nick_81]

1 minute ago, Davidson Deac II said:

I agree that you don't make that call.  But I am not sure what play was called.  We might have had a couple of quick routes, and a couple of long ones.  Or maybe you are right and its all long routes.  But I don't agree the safety is all on the coaching staff.  As a Quarterback, you have to know where you are on the field, and at the first sign of trouble, run it or throw it away.   Or both. 

Hardly any plays consist of just long routes.  That's what people need to get out of their heads.  All the screaming that Shula calls "long developing pass plays" in short yardage situations, or in general, is just dumb.  First of all, Oher got trucked on that play, and the end had a clear path to Cam.  It was broken from the beginning, but, he also had a guy wide open in the flat, and had time to get it to him, if he would have seen him.