The real issue with our defense

[KB_fan]

On 9/30/2016 at 0:46 AM, pantherclaw said:

Yeah, thanks to the offense turning the ball over a lot more. ..but lets blame the defense for allowing those points on  many short fields.

But we've turned the ball over at least three times inside our own 20, i.e. the opponent's red zone.  Pretty tough to stop them from scoring.  In at least 1 case we kept them to a FG, so, our defense is trying hard to stop opponents, with some success.

Against MINN the Vikings only scored 3 points on 3 turnovers, so that's something.   It was the SF game that destroyed us in terms of points off turnovers:

Den 1 Panthers turnover - Opponents score 7 points

SF  4 Panthers turnovers - Opponents score 20 points

MIN 3 Panthers turnovers - Opponents score 3 points

 

[iamhubby1]

17 hours ago, CPantherKing said:

Without a doubt special teams put both the offense and the defense in a worse situation. Special teams can help or hurt, but special teams should never be looked at as the reason why a team lost or won a game.

You can not excuse a defense for losing the lead on a TD in the second half.

It is not about the points scored in total for a game. It is about the key drives that result in a lead change.

 

 

Yupperz. I don't care who you are. That right there is funny.

 

Can you imagine Bellacheat telling Brady. "Go out there and try and win the game. Don't get upset if you can't, cuz that Defense out there isn't going to let you do it. But what the hellz, give it a try. Mkay."

 

Or Cam telling RR "I got this coach." And RR telling him. "Don't worry Cam, that D will stop you. Just do a few plays, and let's get out of here."

 

Me neither.

[iamhubby1]

2 hours ago, KB_fan said:

But we've turned the ball over at least three times inside our own 20, i.e. the opponent's red zone.  Pretty tough to stop them from scoring.  In at least 1 case we kept them to a FG, so, our defense is trying hard to stop opponents, with some success.

Against MINN the Vikings only scored 3 points on 3 turnovers, so that's something.   It was the SF game that destroyed us in terms of points off turnovers:

Den 1 Panthers turnover - Opponents score 7 points

SF  4 Panthers turnovers - Opponents score 20 points

MIN 3 Panthers turnovers - Opponents score 3 points

 

 

First. Let me say this. Would Cam's Safety not count as a turnover? Hmmm. I can see why not, as it actually is not turn over, just giving away possession and points. So...nevermind.

 

Second. Sometimes it's not the actual points from turn overs that get you. It is the loss of possession. It robs you of the opportunity to score, as well as killing any momentum you built up getting the ball back.

 

There is a reason that teams that lose the TO battle, usually lose. Just not sure what it is anymore. Cuz, good teams, with good/great QBs, can win anyway. Then again, good teams can still lose if they turn it over to another good team. I love me some hard and fast rules.

 

Sorry to have bothered you. I'll go away now.

[amcoolio]

Biggest problem is our really bad defensive ends. They are getting eaten in the run game and provide almost no pass rush. I am not optimistic. We need to double up on pass rush in the first two rounds of the draft next season.

Turnovers by the O are 2nd.

These next three games are a big test. If we cant get to Ryan or Winston, then we are going to have to score 40 to win. Luckily, our division has the three worst defenses in the league. So it is possible.

I hope things improve. Its possible, but I am not counting on it.

[rhyslloyd]

Great thread. Thanks for posting. High quality, top notch stuff.


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[AceBoogie]

Yea it was the offense fault Sam Bradford drove 75 yards down the field to begin the second half. 

[CPantherKing]

7 hours ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

Yupperz. I don't care who you are. That right there is funny.

 

Can you imagine Bellacheat telling Brady. "Go out there and try and win the game. Don't get upset if you can't, cuz that Defense out there isn't going to let you do it. But what the hellz, give it a try. Mkay."

 

Or Cam telling RR "I got this coach." And RR telling him. "Don't worry Cam, that D will stop you. Just do a few plays, and let's get out of here."

 

Me neither.

259 = regular season games Belicheat has coached as the Patriots HC.

60 = number of games the Patriots defense lost the lead in the 2nd half.

28 = number of games the offense was able to come back and win the game after the defense lost a 2nd half lead.

19 = number of games the offense was able to come back and win the game after the defense lost a 2nd half lead by giving up a TD.

So, on average the Patriots defense loses the lead in the 2nd half in 3 games per season, and Tom Brady (arguably the best QB in the history of the NFL), under Belicheat (one of the best coaches of all time), pulls out a win in 1 of those games.

How many games do you expect Cam Newton to win after the defense gives up the lead in the 2nd half?

Better question; how many games do you excuse the defense for when giving up a 2nd half lead? 

Cam put the Panthers in a position to win the Broncos game. Let's hope that is not the 1 game for the season if the defense continues to give up 2nd half leads by allowing TDs.

[KB_fan]

13 hours ago, iamhubby1 said:

First. Let me say this. Would Cam's Safety not count as a turnover? Hmmm. I can see why not, as it actually is not turn over, just giving away possession and points. So...nevermind.

Funny you ask this. I some of the stats analysis I did, I did include the safety with turnovers because it ends possession and does give the opponents points... but obviously the NFL doesn't include it as a turnover in their stats, so above I only included actual turnovers.

13 hours ago, iamhubby1 said:

Second. Sometimes it's not the actual points from turn overs that get you. It is the loss of possession. It robs you of the opportunity to score, as well as killing any momentum you built up getting the ball back.

Yup.  That missed field goal against MIN was very costly.  We failed to capitalize on excellent field position. Got 0 points and gave MIN very good field position.   We were also 0/2 on 4th down conversions, last week, though the only turnover on downs was on our final drive.  I'd need to look at the play-by-play to find the other instance.  It must have been negated by a penalty.

[panthers55]

I told you we needed vet corners. Anyone want to still say we are fine with the rookies?

Second point. Where the hell is the pressure. Ryan folds quicker than a cheap suitcase with pressure but we are giving them none.  None