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Name players that where worth their draft Slot by DG

The_Rainmaker

By The_Rainmaker,
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KillaCamNewton Community Regular

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3 hours ago, CPantherKing said:

Anyone who values a 7-8-1 season because it is a division championship and a playoff showing only to be bounced needs to have their posts examined carefully.

It is still a losing season. It is not a positive in any way. Win one season and lose the next. If the Panthers got participation trophies, these same posters would hold those up as some sort of achievement.

There is one goal and that is to win a SB. I expect the team I am a fan of to approach each season to win the SB. I understand rebuilding for a couple seasons 2011/2012. What I do not understand is getting competitive in 2013 and then cutting the legs out from underneath a competitive team in 2014. Then having the core of the team pick it up and account for the weaknesses given to them from the front office in 2015 only to have the competitive legs cut out from underneath them again in 2016. You only have so many seasons with Cam and Luke at the helm. Leverage the team when they are competitive.

Division championships as the gold standard is for chumps, mediocre players and the casual fan. Win your first SB and then try to build a consistent winner for a shot at a dynasty.

I agree with what youre saying about blowing the team up after 2013 when we were good enough to win a Super Bowl. We lost to the champs 12-7 in the regular season and beat the other team in the championship game in the regular season and got hosed by the refs in the playoffs. The NFC championship game was pretty much the super bowl that year because whoever won it was gonna roll Denver. Peyton hadnt played a real defense all year and they didnt have Von Miller/Ware so theyre defense was pretty weak. Us, SF, and the Seahawks were all built the same way and the result was probably gonna be the same no matter who played them.

 

Back to the point though, cutting Steve was obviously a blunder but everything else was kinda out of our control. Gross retired, Hardy decided to be an asshole, and our cap situation was still fuged up which kept us from offering key players like Ginn, Captain, and Mitchell a competitive deal on the market. Couldnt fault those guys for getting paid when all we could offer were pennies. 

This past offseason though? Yeah so far it looks like a huge fug up

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2 hours ago, RoaringRiot said:

When I see a team all of a sudden click and win a ton of games in a row, make the playoffs and win a game it makes me think the talent was always there and that the coaching and execution finally kicked in. But I'm not a blind "blame GMan at all costs" kinda guy so maybe that's why I feel that way.

We beat the worse qb in the NFL that year. But hey you could be right. Could be coaching and I'm completely wrong about Gettleman. Only time will tell

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10 minutes ago, AceBoogie said:

We beat the worse qb in the NFL that year. But hey you could be right. Could be coaching and I'm completely wrong about Gettleman. Only time will tell

So what? It was a playoff team. We also won 6 in a row. You don't do that in the NFL is you're a poo team with poo players. The players didn't change that season....so what did? 

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2 hours ago, KillaCamNewton said:

Back to the point though, cutting Steve was obviously a blunder but everything else was kinda out of our control. Gross retired, Hardy decided to be an asshole, and our cap situation was still fuged up which kept us from offering key players like Ginn, Captain, and Mitchell a competitive deal on the market. Couldnt fault those guys for getting paid when all we could offer were pennies. 

This past offseason though? Yeah so far it looks like a huge fug up

The only year the salary cap was an issue (by design) was 2013. In 2014, the Panthers had the money to spend on a few key players. Gettleman chose to spend that money on several players who would later be cut during the season. Gross and Smith planned on retiring together after 2014 or 2015. Gross took off early because Smith was sent packing. Gettleman made it known they wanted Gross for another season, but the Smith debacle sealed the deal. Nate Chandler was rushed into action when Gettleman wanted him to have another year learning the position behind Gross. The salary cap was not a major problem in 2014 if the team could franchise tag Hardy.

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Hindsight is always 20/20, but Getty got my expectations up by always crowing about how supreme he is as a talent evaluator. 

My biggest problem with him is making "luxury" picks at positions of strength to the detriment of positions of weakness.

 

 

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47 minutes ago, thomas96 said:

The Star pick was essential. Even now he's our only d-lineman taking double teams.

I agree, but I don't even really give Getty full credit for that one. It really was a no-brainer. I can't really see how anyone here, not even @CPantherKing, can argue that Star wasn't absolutely the best pick with legitimate credibility. Our line without star would be like spaghetti with unseasoned ground beef. I don't even belief Short would have become a name in NFL circles without Star. He is absolutely "essential."

The only person that perhaps was arguably just as important was Hardy. We may not have known it then, but we certainly know it now.

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18 hours ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

Most GMs figure their 1st rounder will start, hope the 2nd rounder will make a push, and that 3rd rounder will make the team. Anything after that? Nothing is given.

 

Just because a few later round picks work out, does not mean you can count on them. That is what most fans overlook. The vast majority of later round picks just don't pan out. That's why teams will throw in later round picks in with trades. It adds icing to the cake. But you rarely see teams throwing around rounds 1-2-or 3.

 

Gripping about later round picks is a faulty argument. The bust rate is just too dang high to get too excited over those picks.

 

Or at least that is what I think I think about this.

 

 

Man your spot on , I feel like Star has the potential to become a solid pass rusher. just need time for the D to gel.

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