Beason chimes in on Nippleshorts

[Darvinsun]

5 hours ago, pantherphan96 said:

the players aren't happy because the team is 1-5, not because of some manufactured drama between the FO and the team. and almost all good teams aren't build through splashy FA acquisitions anyway, its about drafting well and keeping your players from leaving in FA.

That is exactly what i am saying ....looking at how norman was treated, most of this team was gunning for a ring now..some of the good core people don't  have 3yrs left ..there best chance was now..by Dave letting a member of the team that was liked and needed go he put the team in a bad funk to start...now  look at TD, khalil is slowing down too.. Everyone is looking at this..other nfl players, and fans and scratching their heads..who wants to play for a GM that does not value them, does not know when the SB team is right in front of him..

[BIGH2001]

1 hour ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

It is not just the contract, it is the guaranteed money as well. A lot more goes into it than, "Well he won't see the end, so who cares."

 

Josh didn't want what we offered. He could have told us right out of the gate. That would have given us time to find a proper replacement. But no. Josh drug it out, trying to get more money out of Gman, which was not going to happen. Sign the tag, or let us know, so we can move on.

He would have signed the tag eventually.  It was a stupid rash decision because fat Dave's ego got in the way.  Even if he had not signed the tag and left us hanging for most of the season we probably wouldn't even be worse than we are now in the secondary.  Thats how bad the offseason went.

[iamhubby1]

2 minutes ago, BIGH2001 said:

He would have signed the tag eventually.  It was a stupid rash decision because fat Dave's ego got in the way.  Even if he had not signed the tag and left us hanging for most of the season we probably wouldn't even be worse than we are now in the secondary.  Thats how bad the offseason went.

 

So here's the deal. Gman had 2 choices. 1. Tag Josh and pay him 14mil, and take the chance that he would do the good soldier thing. And from what we have heard, he was having a hard time toeing the line, long before the tag was rescinded. There is no guarantee that Josh would have the good soldier.

 

Or 2. Gman could rescind the tag, and save that money for next year. Try and fix the CB position the best he could, and move on. I am almost positive that Gman, and Ron thought they were in pretty good shape. So they rolled the dice, hoping to get one good year out of the CB position.

 

Unfortunately, that gamble failed. And all you need do is look at the front page of the Huddle to see how that failed gamble is being met.

[Millioso7]

Bradburry for president... we should've drafted him regardless.. he the real deal!!!

[panthers55]

11 hours ago, carolinajay said:

The agent is a extension of the player.Norman taking less money?

If he wanted to be a Panther why not sign the tag before everything broke down and continue to negotiate in good faith?

What veteran corners are you referring to?

I've said it before if you blame Gettleman for anything this off season it should be for believing in his guys too much.

Ealy coming off a great super bowl, CJ coming off a good playoff run, Funchess off a solid rookie year, KK off a all pro year etc. He kept most of the SB team intact, they have just regressed.

He said his agent told him he had all the leverage and to play hard ball. He figured a deal would get done. He was shocked and totally surprised when Gettleman pulled the tag. He said as much himself. Where have you been. As for which veteran corners we could have signed, there are already multiple threads discussing that so I won't rehash it but there were several guys who could have been had on single or multiple year contracts who would have jumped at a chance to play for us when we were a Superbowl contender.

And like I have said all along, Gettleman's mistake is to think you can just exchange players like commodities and ignore chemistry and leadership as important. The secondary sucks because Coleman is the only guy with veteran leadership. What Gettleman  could have had if he brought in veteran guys to man the position. Now we see that guys like Harper and Tillman were worth more than their skill as a player. Something Gettleman has yet to learn.

And no we haven't just regressed, we are a totally different team than last year. Every year you have to build the team from scratch and talent alone isn't enough. The production of the group together has to be greater than the sum of the individusl parts. We had that last year and this year aren't even close.

[Cpt slay a ho]

People really think Norman would have sat instead of play under the tag? WE HAD THE LEVERAGE, he sits he loses millions. Rescinding the tag gave all our power up and showed the move itself had more to do with just business. When's the last time a player sat a significant time instead of played? When's the last time a team rescinded the franchise tag, besides Seattle if I'm correct?


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[carolinajay]

35 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

He said his agent told him he had all the leverage and to play hard ball. He figured a deal would get done. He was shocked and totally surprised when Gettleman pulled the tag. He said as much himself. Where have you been. As for which veteran corners we could have signed, there are already multiple threads discussing that so I won't rehash it but there were several guys who could have been had on single or multiple year contracts who would have jumped at a chance to play for us when we were a Superbowl contender.

And like I have said all along, Gettleman's mistake is to think you can just exchange players like commodities and ignore chemistry and leadership as important. The secondary sucks because Coleman is the only guy with veteran leadership. What Gettleman  could have had if he brought in veteran guys to man the position. Now we see that guys like Harper and Tillman were worth more than their skill as a player. Something Gettleman has yet to learn.

And no we haven't just regressed, we are a totally different team than last year. Every year you have to build the team from scratch and talent alone isn't enough. The production of the group together has to be greater than the sum of the individusl parts. We had that last year and this year aren't even close.

Sending a inexperienced agent to negotiate with Dave Gettleman is like bringing a knife to a gunfight, a pen to a test, your chest in the line of fire with a thin-ass vest. In all seriousness sending a inexperienced agent was the wrong move. I know players do not generally like the franchise tag but why wait for it to be rescinded before you make a real effort to sign it?

I must have missed the threads about the veteran corners. Who are they? Were they realistic signings because suggesting signing Jenoris Jenkins is not realistic.

Roman Harper was the weak link in the panthers secondary when the front 7 was great. He was a great leader & teacher but without the benefit of a great front 7 he would have looked like he did in 2014. Peanut was coming off a ACL plus he had several injury prone seasons the last couple of years. If those guys wanted to be Assistant coaches that would have been perfect but I don't see the value of keeping them with diminishing skills no matter how great they were in the locker room.

I agree it is a different team the players who looked like they were ready to take the next step or continue their strong play has not so far. Moral victories are for minor league coaches but the panthers were a couple of plays from being 5-1.

[SCP]

Anyone else hammered right now?


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[rhyslloyd]

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[CPF4LIFE]

On 10/21/2016 at 5:49 PM, carolinajay said:

I respect that, I did not want to see Josh go either.

But Gettleman had to think about the team's short and long term future. $12M-$13M if those numbers are correct are really good especially for someone like Gettleman who values the Dline more than the secondary.

Maybe DT. Thats about it

[carolinajay]

3 hours ago, CPF4LIFE said:

Maybe DT. Thats about it

Franchise tags Hardy for $15M

Selects Kony Ealy in 2nd Round

Keeps Charles Johnson for 4 seasons

Trades for Jared Allen

He has claimed other DE's from waivers. He even stuck with  Frank Alexander for a while

More than DT's.

 

[iamhubby1]

5 hours ago, CPF4LIFE said:

Maybe DT. Thats about it

 

This took absolutely no time or effort to post.

 

2 hours ago, carolinajay said:

Franchise tags Hardy for $15M

Selects Kony Ealy in 2nd Round

Keeps Charles Johnson for 4 seasons

Trades for Jared Allen

He has claimed other DE's from waivers. He even stuck with  Frank Alexander for a while

More than DT's.

 

 

This took both time and effort. And blew the other one away.

 

DTs, indeed.

[CPF4LIFE]

3 hours ago, carolinajay said:

Franchise tags Hardy for $15M

Selects Kony Ealy in 2nd Round

Keeps Charles Johnson for 4 seasons

Trades for Jared Allen

He has claimed other DE's from waivers. He even stuck with  Frank Alexander for a while

More than DT's.

 

Franchise tags Hardy for $15M -Franchised  him but only planned to keep him that one year then he was gone.....no long term plan with team.

Selects Kony Ealy in 2nd Round- But used a 2 1st on star and Butler and took Short in the second. Short and STAR in the same draft. Butler is a back up and will be in the future if we plan to keep star and short. Also signed solati in the off season who hasn't done much 

Keeps Charles Johnson for 4 seasons- Definitely don't no where u are going with this one. CJ has been a productive player the majority of his career and was still in the middle of his contract when gettleman got here, releasing him earlier would have meant a huge cap hit and created a whole even earlier then now. He has slowy dipped off in production but never nose dived.

Biggest thing is we have draft picks and FA agents sunk into the DT position while we  relied on a bunch of undrafted guys and unproven players to feel the void at DE this year which hasn't worked at all which contributes to the message were in now.

[carolinajay]

25 minutes ago, CPF4LIFE said:

Franchise tags Hardy for $15M -Franchised  him but only planned to keep him that one year then he was gone.....no long term plan with team.

Selects Kony Ealy in 2nd Round- But used a 2 1st on star and Butler and took Short in the second. Short and STAR in the same draft. Butler is a back up and will be in the future if we plan to keep star and short. Also signed solati in the off season who hasn't done much 

Keeps Charles Johnson for 4 seasons- Definitely don't no where u are going with this one. CJ has been a productive player the majority of his career and was still in the middle of his contract when gettleman got here, releasing him earlier would have meant a huge cap hit and created a whole even earlier then now. He has slowy dipped off in production but never nose dived.

Biggest thing is we have draft picks and FA agents sunk into the DT position while we  relied on a bunch of undrafted guys and unproven players to feel the void at DE this year which hasn't worked at all which contributes to the message were in now.

Franchising Greg Hardy shows he valued him whether it was for one year or not. Why wouldn't a guy who values the Dline keep a 15 sack all pro player for another year?

Was Star/Short not the right picks? I remember Frank Kearse, Andre Neblett, Tank Tyler, Fua, McClain,.etc. He solidified the DT position in one draft. He had his choice of players in the Draft he decided Butler's upside was higher than the DE's on the board. The giants selected JPP when they had Osi/Tuck and by year 2 he was their best defensive player. Give Butler a chance to grow.

Adding more depth at DT is a problem? 

Keeping Charles Johnson was a point I made because once again it shows that he values the Dline not just the DT's. He could have let him go this off season but opted to bring him back after a solid run in the playoffs. Frank Alexander had talent and Gettleman stuck with him until the reward no longer outweighed the risk.

What quality DE's (Draft able or Free Agent) could he had realistic brought in? Who would have started over CJ, Hardy or Kony in Gettleman's 4 years here?