Reviewing some of Gettleman's quotes.

[panther4life]

Interesting quotes over the years from Gettleman himself.

From 2014 combine interview via Bill Voth http://blackandbluereview.com/12-meaningful-quotes-dave-gettlemans-combine-press-conference/

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"It’s the third year with this new cap. It’s a brave new world and we’re all trying to figure it out. I think it’s a mistake if you have 10 guys that are making all the money. I think it’s a mistake.What we have to do is be very thoughtful in planning our cap, planning our strategy, planning our budget. What you’re looking for is sustained success. That’s what you want. You don’t want to jump up, have a great year and for the next two years you’re floundering around. There’s only two teams in this league that have had winning seasons four years in a row — New England and Green Bay, and Green Bay was 8-7-1 this year. That’s what our goal is."

• While we didn't flounder around for 2 years consecutively we  did go 7-8-1 the season after this quote. Then we jump to to 15-1 only to fall back to the current 1-5.

 

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"This is a big man’s game, I don’t care what anybody says. The game’s evolving, the style of play’s evolving, but it’s a big man’s game. Big men win, it’s just the way it is. You look at Seattle and they’ve got heavy bodies up front, their linebackers are a little bit smaller, but that secondary’s monstrous. It’s a big man’s game, don’t let anybody tell you any different, and that’s what we have to do."

• I find it interesting he compliments Seattle on their monstrous secondary, because the moves he's made here shows he values that very little. 

 

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We’d like to improve our secondary, we’d like to improve offensively. One of the things that got lost in the sauce with us offensively was all the injuries we were dealing with on the offensive line. By the time we got down to Nate (Chandler) we were dealing with our sixth offensive guard. Can we get better there? Who can’t? So those are areas we’re going to look to address."

• Remember folks, this was 2014 Combine when he made this statement. The same year he said wanted to improve the secondary and 0-line. Our starting 0-line that year ended being

LT- Byron Bell, LG- Amini Silatolu, C-Kalil, RG- Turner, RT- Nate Chandler. Bell was the leagues worst RT, takes the place of Gross who was one of the leagues top LT's. Nate Chandler the guy he just bashed now becomes his starting RT. Yes he drafted Turner, otherwise he really did nothing to improve here and did in fact actually go backwards in a major way. Should be noted Wharton and Hangartner retired that offseason as well.

Ok but he also mentioned improving the secondary, so what does he do there. Well Mike Mitchell and Munnerlyn (not a bad thing)left for more money. Quinten Mikell retired . So he goes out and signs Harper, Decoud, Antoine Cason. He also drafts Bene and Boston. Apparently he realizes that plan failed because only Boston remains from that group of supposed improvements and Boston is not looking to good at the moment.

 

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"It’s the third year with this new cap. It’s a brave new world and we’re all trying to figure it out. I think it’s a mistake if you have 10 guys that are making all the money. I think it’s a mistake."

• Before devoting 10% of the 130 Million dollar cap to a 1 year rental on Hardy we had 73 million devoted to 9 players. So why on earth go and waste another 13 Million on a player who had really only shown 1 year of outstanding play and is now out of the league?

Here is some 2016 Quotes I also found interesting. 

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"The purpose of this roster-building time is to put yourself in a position so that when you get to the draft, it's not, 'I've got to have this. I've got to have that,' " 

http://www.panthers.com/news/article-2/Gettleman-Roster-rounding-into-shape-for-draft/76b4f825-bfb9-4d55-bbdf-85280b02f0e7

• The above was referring to using free agency to set yourself up to draft BPA in the draft and not hone in a specific position. So did he feel like he was in a position where he didn't "have to have" a CB?  Or what about in 2014 is that how he felt about WR's after letting our only 3 productive ones walk/cutting them. (Smith/Lafell,and Ginn).

 

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" I’ve always said, ‘If you’re not getting better, you’re getting worse.’ Nothing changes. You’re constantly looking at players. You want to get better. You have to objectively evaluate what you’ve got and be honest about it."

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/nfl/carolina-panthers/article84194792.html

• Everyone knew we were not getting better in 2014 and this year as well. So thats 2 offseason's where he had to knowingly accept that this team was getting worse in terms of talent on the field and the results show it!

Does anyone believe in Gettleman's formula for long term sustained success? Does he even have one that he follows? 

Arguably 5 of our top 12 players are already 30 years or older.

Davis-33,Olsen-31,, Kalil-31,Ginn-31, Oher-30, CJ-30, are all 30 or older now. The window is closing on all of these guys. Aside from Shaq taking over for Davis eventually, we have nobody behind these players that are anywhere close to being able to replace them eventually, especially not any young guys. Stewart is right behind them at 29. 

That leaves these proven players under 30 years of age to build off of. ( 2 good seasons qualifiers)

Cam,Luke,Star,Short,Shaq,Norwell, Turner and Benjamin and even Stewart(29) if you want to count him.

Some the jury is still out on. Funchess,Butler, Bradberry and Worley and maybe even CAP. 

 

My personal opinion on Gettleman is still taking shape. I don't think its time to move on from him yet, but the clock is ticking for him to start showing ability to start having a consistent winner. Just so odd to call someone a great GM when their team goes to 15-1 and to 1-5 in one offseason. Especially when he lost his favorite scapegoat (cap room) to fall back on to explain our current misery. 

 

 

 

 

 

[csx]

• I find it interesting he compliments Seattle on their monstrous secondary, because the moves he's made here shows he values that very little.

other than Sanchez the why do you say that?

[The_Rainmaker]

7 minutes ago, panther4life said:

Interesting quotes over the years from Gettleman himself.

From 2014 combine interview via Bill Voth http://blackandbluereview.com/12-meaningful-quotes-dave-gettlemans-combine-press-conference/

• While we didn't flounder around for 2 years consecutively we  did go 7-8-1 the season after this quote. Then we jump to to 15-1 only to fall back to the current 1-5.

 

• I find it interesting he compliments Seattle on their monstrous secondary, because the moves he's made here shows he values that very little. 

 

• Remember folks, this was 2014 Combine when he made this statement. The same year he said wanted to improve the secondary and 0-line. Our starting 0-line that year ended being

LT- Byron Bell, LG- Amini Silatolu, C-Kalil, RG- Turner, RT- Nate Chandler. Bell was the leagues worst RT, takes the place of Gross who was one of the leagues top LT's. Nate Chandler the guy he just bashed now becomes his starting RT. Yes he drafted Turner, otherwise he really did nothing to improve here and did in fact actually go backwards in a major way. Should be noted Wharton and Hangartner retired that offseason as well.

Ok but he also mentioned improving the secondary, so what does he do there. Well Mike Mitchell and Munnerlyn (not a bad thing)left for more money. Quinten Mikell retired . So he goes out and signs Harper, Decoud, Antoine Cason. He also drafts Bene and Boston. Apparently he realizes that plan failed because only Boston remains from that group of supposed improvements and Boston is not looking to good at the moment.

 

• Before devoting 10% of the 130 Million dollar cap to a 1 year rental on Hardy we had 73 million devoted to 9 players. So why on earth go and waste another 13 Million on a player who had really only shown 1 year of outstanding play and is now out of the league?

Here is some 2016 Quotes I also found interesting. 

http://www.panthers.com/news/article-2/Gettleman-Roster-rounding-into-shape-for-draft/76b4f825-bfb9-4d55-bbdf-85280b02f0e7

• The above was referring to using free agency to set yourself up to draft BPA in the draft and not hone in a specific position. So did he feel like he was in a position where he didn't "have to have" a CB?  Or what about in 2014 is that how he felt about WR's after letting our only 3 productive ones walk/cutting them. (Smith/Lafell,and Ginn).

 

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/nfl/carolina-panthers/article84194792.html

• Everyone knew we were not getting better in 2014 and this year as well. So thats 2 offseason's where he had to knowingly accept that this team was getting worse in terms of talent on the field and the results show it!

Does anyone believe in Gettleman's formula for long term sustained success? Does he even have one that he follows? 

Arguably 5 of our top 12 players are already 30 years or older.

Davis-33,Olsen-31,, Kalil-31,Ginn-31, Oher-30, CJ-30, are all 30 or older now. The window is closing on all of these guys. Aside from Shaq taking over for Davis eventually, we have nobody behind these players that are anywhere close to being able to replace them eventually, especially not any young guys. Stewart is right behind them at 29. 

That leaves these proven players under 30 years of age to build off of. ( 2 good seasons qualifiers)

Cam,Luke,Star,Short,Shaq,Norwell, Turner and Benjamin and even Stewart(29) if you want to count him.

Some the jury is still out on. Funchess,Butler, Bradberry and Worley and maybe even CAP. 

 

My personal opinion on Gettleman is still taking shape. I don't think its time to move on from him yet, but the clock is ticking for him to start showing ability to start having a consistent winner. Just so odd to call someone a great GM when their team goes to 15-1 and to 1-5 in one offseason. Especially when he lost his favorite scapegoat (cap room) to fall back on to explain our current misery. 

 

 

 

 

Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/nfl/carolina-panthers/article84194792.html#storylink=cpy

 

 

 

 

Hopefully he has to retire for being overweight and not being a healthy person.

[nctarheel0619]

Well done man.  Gettlemen is full of poo.  

[The_Rainmaker]

Hopefully he has to retire for being overweight and not being a healthy person.

[Growl]

All Dave does is isolate singular elements from random teams and use them to stubbornly prop up an ideology he already had.

[beastson]

That first quote ugh

I'm not even going to read the rest

[panther4life]

11 minutes ago, csx said:

• I find it interesting he compliments Seattle on their monstrous secondary, because the moves he's made here shows he values that very little.

other than Sanchez the why do you say that?

When he said monstrous I thought he was talking in terms of talent. But if you want to be literal he hasn't drafted or signed any secondary player the height of Sherman, Browner, or  Chancellor the 3 giants 6'3- 6'4 the 3 giants they had at the time of the quote. Earl Thomas is only 5'10.

 

 

[iamhubby1]

I am real sure you can put a series of quotes together that can make anyone, say anything you want.

 

Just another bash Gman thread.

[Saca312]

The people that replied above @iamhubby1 tell me all I need to know about the quality and legitimacy of this post.

[carolinajay]

 

[Icege]

2 hours ago, panther4life said:

• I find it interesting he compliments Seattle on their monstrous secondary, because the moves he's made here shows he values that very little. 

I'm not sure how you figure that. James Bradberry and Daryl Worley are both long limbed 6'1" 205lbs - 210lbs. Antoine Cason was 6'1" 195lbs. Tre Boston? 6'1". Travell Dixon? 6'1". In fact, the smallest DB on the roster is Robert McClain (5'9") who was signed late last season as a result of Benwikere going down (who was 6'0" 190lbs). If anything, he has shown that he values monstrous bodies in the secondary very much. I think you're taking the word "monstrous" out of context here, as he was talking about needing big bodies to win. 
 

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• Remember folks, this was 2014 Combine when he made this statement. The same year he said wanted to improve the secondary and 0-line. Our starting 0-line that year ended being

LT- Byron Bell, LG- Amini Silatolu, C-Kalil, RG- Turner, RT- Nate Chandler. Bell was the leagues worst RT, takes the place of Gross who was one of the leagues top LT's. Nate Chandler the guy he just bashed now becomes his starting RT. Yes he drafted Turner, otherwise he really did nothing to improve here and did in fact actually go backwards in a major way. Should be noted Wharton and Hangartner retired that offseason as well.

Ok but he also mentioned improving the secondary, so what does he do there. Well Mike Mitchell and Munnerlyn (not a bad thing)left for more money. Quinten Mikell retired . So he goes out and signs Harper, Decoud, Antoine Cason. He also drafts Bene and Boston. Apparently he realizes that plan failed because only Boston remains from that group of supposed improvements and Boston is not looking to good at the moment.

You're conveniently ignoring that the 2014 NFL Combine occurred on February 11th, 2014. Jordan Gross announced his retirement on February 25th, 2014. We don't know how much Gross kept Gettleman informed of his decision process, but with what was trotted out is eerily similar to what the Panthers are dealing with this year I think we can assume not much. The retirement forced Carolina to move Byron Bell to LT and for Nate Chandler to kick out from RG to RT (Sound familiar? Hint: A concussed Oher. A Remmers. A Daryl Williams). Trai Turner was drafted and Andrew Norwell was signed as a UDFA. Amini had had a solid rookie year imo with Gross and Kalil on either side, but I think that we can all agree that the drop off from Gross to Bell was astronomical. He also brought in UDFA David Foucault (remember, big bodies is valued as he trusts his coaches to get them prepared). Wharton retired, bringing Amini back to the starting OL (which he'd eventually relinquish that spot to Norwell after injury). Hangartner retired, as did Jeff Byers. That is FOUR offensive linemen retire including a Pro Bowl LT, starting LG, back-up C, and the team's 6th man for the OL that at times started at RG (as well as C and maybe a cpl of times at RT iirc?). This was all AFTER the combine. Kugbila had also been drafted the season before and was still on having back issues which led to the IR for a 2nd straight season for him.
 

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• Before devoting 10% of the 130 Million dollar cap to a 1 year rental on Hardy we had 73 million devoted to 9 players. So why on earth go and waste another 13 Million on a player who had really only shown 1 year of outstanding play and is now out of the league?

Those were all Hurney contracts that Gettleman was working his way out of. Hardy hadn't re-signed but was too valuable to let go into FA. Hardy hadn't shown just 1 year of outstanding play. He had shown consistent development throughout and then threw together a 15 sack season while also being one of the top run stopping DEs in the game. Are you really going to let that just walk in free agency? No. You tag that big somamabitch. Did anybody here really call Ms. Cleo beforehand and ask if he was going get coked out with his gf and then beat her ass? No, so let's cull that poo real quick pls.
 

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• The above was referring to using free agency to set yourself up to draft BPA in the draft and not hone in a specific position. So did he feel like he was in a position where he didn't "have to have" a CB?  Or what about in 2014 is that how he felt about WR's after letting our only 3 productive ones walk/cutting them. (Smith/Lafell,and Ginn).

How did he set himself up in FA? By signing veterans Jericho Cotchery and Jason Avant. That allowed him to take KB in the 1st round and then brought in Philly Brown via UDFA. Taking a look at the players picked between KB and Ealy, I'm very comfortable in saying that he was truly BPA.
 

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• Everyone knew we were not getting better in 2014 and this year as well. So thats 2 offseason's where he had to knowingly accept that this team was getting worse in terms of talent on the field and the results show it

We knew we weren't getting better in 2014 on offense because we had just lost four offensive linemen to retirement. Know where we did get better? Theoretically before Hardy's charges, our DL (we were returning two great rookie DTs in Star + KK, Hardy and Johnson had each just posted double digit sacks). We definitely improved at WR (went from Smith, LaFell, Ginn, Hixon, King, McNutt, and Pilares <-> Benjamin, Cotchery, Avant, Brown, Bersin (yes, Smitty is amazing, but the rest of the crew was hot garbage)). TE improved by replacing Brockel and Hartsock with Dickson. There's something we're also missing in all of this: this was Gettleman's second season as a GM which he was still hamstrung by bad Hurney contracts... so this asinine view that he should've spent like crazy in FA in order to prepare for BPA is... well... asinine. >.>
 

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Does anyone believe in Gettleman's formula for long term sustained success? Does he even have one that he follows? 

Arguably 5 of our top 12 players are already 30 years or older.

Davis-33,Olsen-31,, Kalil-31,Ginn-31, Oher-30, CJ-30, are all 30 or older now. The window is closing on all of these guys. Aside from Shaq taking over for Davis eventually, we have nobody behind these players that are anywhere close to being able to replace them eventually, especially not any young guys. Stewart is right behind them at 29. 

That leaves these proven players under 30 years of age to build off of. ( 2 good seasons qualifiers)

Cam,Luke,Star,Short,Shaq,Norwell, Turner and Benjamin and even Stewart(29) if you want to count him.

Some the jury is still out on. Funchess,Butler, Bradberry and Worley and maybe even CAP. 

 

My personal opinion on Gettleman is still taking shape. I don't think its time to move on from him yet, but the clock is ticking for him to start showing ability to start having a consistent winner. Just so odd to call someone a great GM when their team goes to 15-1 and to 1-5 in one offseason. Especially when he lost his favorite scapegoat (cap room) to fall back on to explain our current misery.

In his 4th year, David Gettleman has helped assemble rosters that have led to an unprecedented three straight NFC South titles and a team that went 15-1 with a Super Bowl appearance despite losing their #1 WR and cutting the franchise's all time leading rusher before the season began. Has he been perfect? Far from it. He's human and was due some bad bounces.

Ready for some of our better players that are 27 and under? Here we go...

27: Cam Newton & Kawann Short
26: Star Lotulelei
25: Kelvin Benjamin, Luke Kuechly, 
24: Philly Brown, Andrew Norwell (also: Ealy & Daryl Williams)
23: James Bradberry, Trai Turner (also: Mayo & Cash)
22: Shaq Thompson, Devin Funchess (also: Vernon Butler)

Youngest player on the team? 21yr old Daryl Worley. 

Injuries have devastated this team in areas they were already thin at (OT, DB). Couple that with losing our #1 RB, 2016 1st rd pick, and even the 2015-2016 NFL MVP for a game and you've got a recipe for disaster. I'm not happy about the reversal of fortune, but the season is far from over and should the team NOT make the postseason, then I believe that the screws need to be tightened on the front office. 


tldr; wall of text crits you for 9999

[nctarheel0619]

1 hour ago, Saca312 said:

The people that replied above @iamhubby1 tell me all I need to know about the quality and legitimacy of this post.

[nctarheel0619]

@Icege

We're 1-5, only one team ever has made the Playoffs and that was last years Chiefs.  Screws need to be tight like a tiger on the Front Office.