RR's Monday presser

[Bartin]

8 minutes ago, thomas96 said:

I don't know that they were necessarily calls he should be getting. Just because Brady and Brees get a bunch of bullsh*t calls doesn't mean Cam should get them too. Nobody should get them. They shouldn't start calling those hits on every QB to make it fair, they should just stop calling them on Brady and Brees and occasionally others like Wilson, Rodgers, Ryan. Neither of those hits should've been penalties in this game. They may have been called on Brady, but they shouldn't be, and I'm fine with them not calling them yesterday against us. The league needs to let the defense play much more than they do, especially in the secondary.

I wanted to vomit watching the game last night and all the phantom PI calls on Denver's D. I hate Denver but the refs fuged that up. I get it, your average fan wants super high scoring games so that's why they're doing it, but this is just flat out bad for the game and a lot of true NFL fans realize that.

Thing about the PIs last night is they missed some obvious ones and called the phantom ones. That's the biggest issue. The refs are missing obvious penalties and calling non existent ones. Whether they were trying to give make up calls or they are just incompetent is almost irrelevant because the inconsistency is ruining the game.

[CRA]

58 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

Rivera is a man, so therefore, won't be calling out the refs to the media, like so many want.

being a man...isn't biting your tongue why your franchise player gets abused and singled out systematically by the officiating.

any game now Cam could get taken out for a quarter of the season on due to a type hit the league is basically encouraging at this point.  Which makes us unique vs the other 31 other teams and at a disadvantage.  But I guess, we can feel good because at least Ron was a man?

[CRA]

9 minutes ago, SOJA said:

Cam was mad after a game and mentioned it- I can hardly blame him for that. Just because other coaches do it- doesn't make it right. Arians looks like a jackass half the time when he's whining. 

I'm not saying something doesn't need to be done- but there are different ways than calling out the referees to the national media. 

a notable and distinguishable  difference between whining because you get beat and protecting a player who the league is encouraging opponents to attack by their indifference.  Arians isn't worried about his players and thus going to the media.

[CRA]

10 minutes ago, SOJA said:

Cam was mad after a game and mentioned it- I can hardly blame him for that. Just because other coaches do it- doesn't make it right. Arians looks like a jackass half the time when he's whining. 

I'm not saying something doesn't need to be done- but there are different ways than calling out the referees to the national media. 

NFL doesn't give a poo about anything but money and public perception.  No other way in today's NFL.

[Saca312]

I don't care that they weren't called. They would be hard to call in real time, and there have been worse hits.

I hate how the media is portraying those as 100% legal without even mentioning the possibility of it being illegal. I mean at least mention it would be something hard to call and admit it was illegal on some level.

[rico6]

Just now, Saca312 said:

I don't care that they weren't called. They would be hard to call in real time, and there have been worse hits.

I hate how the media is portraying those as 100% legal without even mentioning the possibility of it being illegal. I mean at least mention it would be something hard to call and admit it was illegal on some level.

Hell, Lynch outright glossed over it and assessed the hits as "putting on your Big Boy pads" wouldn't surprise me if that were the general perception of these illegal hits Cam takes.

[CPantherKing]

1 hour ago, CRA said:

Translation:  

Ealy is a backup/rotational DE.  Nothing wrong with that.  

This has been my point the entire time on Ealy. He has a long career ahead of him as a reserve DT. He may end up starting later in his career as a role player. He reminds me of Terrell McClain.

17 minutes ago, thomas96 said:

In full speed watching the game, neither of the two hits looked like penalties. Looking at it in slow motion still doesn't make it much clearer. Good no calls.

You did not hear the helmet to helmet smacks over the crowd on the live broadcast?

You did not see both Barron and Donald launch themselves off their feet at full speed?

You did not see Cam's head snap back on both hits?

You did not see Barron strike the back of Cam's head with a hook like motion?

That was all easy to spot in real time. The officials are on the field staring at him. They are also told to call it roughing if they have any doubt. So, to say there is doubt due to the live speed is not an excuse due to the rule book and the officials training. The officials must believe that there is no question at all that this was not roughing and there was no contact to the head at any point of the play due to their forcible nature.

The fact they both left their feet projecting themselves to the head/neck area was all that was needed to call roughing due to any doubt favoring the passer and not the defender.

12 minutes ago, rico6 said:

A user who was actually at the game said he outright heard the smack on Cams helmet. fug off with this mightier than thou attitude.

It was very clear, and without the ability to definitively say there was no forcible contact by the defenders helmet/facemask/arm/ shoulder/ hand to the head/neck area was all the official needs to call roughing.

I will state this again; the rule favors the passer and not the defender if there is any doubt.

If you see anything with the passer in a passing posture behind the LoS (inside or outside the pocket) that makes you ask 'was that roughing the passer?' 'did he just hit the QB in the head?', then it is roughing the passer per the rule book.

54 minutes ago, The_Rainmaker said:

And DG should be putting internal pressure on the league as well. 

That would be the responsibility of the GM so his players and coaches can focus on the game, but we know Gettleman does not fulfill all the responsibilities of a GM. He just wants to immerse himself in the scouting/personnel matters and stay out of the media.

The biggest impact always comes from media/fan attention on a viral scale - especially if it impacts their sponsors or current litigation. That is all the NFL listens to during the season.

The NFLs largest effort seems to be a media smoke blowing campaign to quiet the attention on the head shots instead of enforcing the protection on the field. All they need to do is stress accountability and flag hits on the QB if there is any doubt by the officials.

I believe head shots should be automatically reviewed and enforceable at any point of the current drive. It should also include a free kick attempt by the kicker for 1 point.

These hits typically occur as a defensive tactic in close game situations or when a team is trying to come back. If it directly affects the outcome of a one score game, then you will see all of these hits stop over night. The coaches will not allow it from their own team since there is no direct benefit and instant risk to the final score.

[The_Rainmaker]

1 hour ago, CRA said:

no such thing as internal pressure on the NFL

Yes there is you basically tell them either you work with us or where going public to all media of biased refs & not protecting players,etc.  I would tell the scouting department to make videos of all the nom calls, vicious hits Cam takes and compare it to the calls other QBs get . Maybe dramatize the helmet to helmet  videos. They should make it about players safety as how a lot of QBs are not getting fair treatments  Kind of like a political ad 

 

[truthjuice]

Cam's PC will be interesting. 

[CRA]

7 minutes ago, The_Rainmaker said:

Yes there is you basically tell them either you work with us or where going public to all media of biased refs & not protecting players,etc.  I would tell the scouting department to make videos of all the nom calls, vicious hits Cam takes and compare it to the calls other QBs get . Maybe dramatize the helmet to helmet  videos. They should make it about players safety as how a lot of QBs are not getting fair treatments  Kind of like a political ad 

 

NFL doesn't care about people threatening them.  They feel they can ride out any small noise. 

Cam went public and there response basically was "nah, bruh...we good".  Everything stayed the same.  Giants kicker? NFL don't care about small noise. Only when it gets too blantant in the media.  Oh, that kicker was bad people had been complaining about now that enough stuff has leaked we now will care weeks and weeks and weeks after it was clear he got off.  Cam wasn't enough. Has to be the front office and the NFL won't do poo unless they are utterly trashed in the media.  Proven at this point IMO. 

[truthjuice]

1 minute ago, CRA said:

NFL doesn't care about people threatening them.  They feel they can ride out any small noise. 

Cam went public and there response basically was "nah, bruh...we good".  Everything stayed the same.  Giants kicker? NFL don't care about small noise. Only when it gets too blantant in the media.  Oh, that kicker was bad people had been complaining about now that enough stuff has leaked we now will care weeks and weeks and weeks after it was clear he got off.  Cam wasn't enough. Has to be the front office and the NFL won't do poo unless they are utterly trashed in the media.  Proven at this point IMO. 

I'm not sure why posters are convinced that it's okay to "take the high" road in this situation. We have and that has gotten us nowhere. Ron needs to say something other than he supports Cam and Gettleman and Richardson need to start firing off. Cam wasn't enough and he can do it weekly (which I hope he does) but until the GM and owner get involved, nothing will change. I expected more out of a players coach though. 

[Cyberjag]

Now that the commentators and talking heads are discussing it, it may become a real issue.  A player or coach bringing it up won't work, or all of them would just to try and gain an edge.

[maddog1945]

2 hours ago, Captain Morgan said:

Joe Person ‏@josephperson  3m3 minutes ago

Rivera on refs: "These guys have a difficult job, made more difficult with high-def and so many people with opinions."

Well, if these "people" didn't have opinions maybe these "guys", including coaches, wouldn't have a job!!!!

Maybe its time for these "people" to speak up, seems coaches are not being to vocal about the well being of their players.

I like ya Ron but step up and speak up.........LOUDLY!!!!!  

[pantherclaw]

1 hour ago, CRA said:

being a man...isn't biting your tongue why your franchise player gets abused and singled out systematically by the officiating.

any game now Cam could get taken out for a quarter of the season on due to a type hit the league is basically encouraging at this point.  Which makes us unique vs the other 31 other teams and at a disadvantage.  But I guess, we can feel good because at least Ron was a man?

Calling it out to the media isn't going to fix the problem. 

I can't help it, that you come from an era where you throw a fit in public, to achieve what you want. 

That isn't being a man, and it certainly isn't being a professional. 2 things you'll never need to worry about.