Why not roll Cam out of the pocket to throw?

[FootballLivesMatter]

14 minutes ago, csx said:

Maybe because Vick is short

Yea bc SD did it with Flutie and NO still doin it with Brees. 

 

[philit99]

1 hour ago, csx said:

Keep their blockers engaged?  the tacles are the blockers.

lol what are tacles?

[gorillamilitia13]

Going into the chiefs game a couple of my friends who are chiefs fans kept telling me how theyre really worried about the bootleg against us. I thought to myself that we never do this then i thought to myself why the hell not

[iamhubby1]

3 hours ago, tiger7_88 said:

This x1000.

There's no need to fire Shula if you're not showing Ron the door at the same time.  Why?  Because what Shula does is exactly what Ron wants in an OC.  So even if we fired Shula, if we didn't fire Rivera, we'd just end up getting the same thing with a different name.

 

To a certain degree you are right. Shula does do what Ron wants. Run a risk averse Offense. And Shula has designed an Offense that is highly regarded. The problem seem to be...During the actual game, he doesn't seem to know how to execute his own Offense properly.

 

But too an extent, yeah, it is Ron's Offense.

[heel31ok]

6 minutes ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

To a certain degree you are right. Shula does do what Ron wants. Run a risk averse Offense. And Shula has designed an Offense that is highly regarded. The problem seem to be...During the actual game, he doesn't seem to know how to execute his own Offense properly.

 

But too an extent, yeah, it is Ron's Offense.

That's the John Shoop syndrome.

[iamhubby1]

12 minutes ago, heel31ok said:

That's the John Shoop syndrome.

 

Sure

[csx]

3 hours ago, philit99 said:

lol what are tacles?

The guys engaging blickers 

[csx]

There isn't anything wrong with the offense. if you want to argue the way it is called then sure....I agree.

[lightsout]

Shula doesn't roll Cam. Why? Because Shula doesn't know what he's doing 60% of the time (being generous there).

Cam's first year, what did we do? Go two TE sets, roll Cam, cut the field in half right? What did Cam do with that? Put up crazy numbers for a rookie many deemed "talented, but not ready to be a big time NFL QB".

People citing his footwork on the run are thinking of scrambles. His body moves differently on designed roll-outs or bootlegs that aren't designed as runs. He rolls his hips differently when he is on a designed roll-out as opposed to scrambling, When he scrambles, he is initially looking for the space to escape to before he throws. When he's rolling he's looking to pass immediately, which puts his hips square faster and his pad level is much more compact than when he's scrambling and trying to stiff arm immediately.

Cam is not the problem. This offense isn't called the way it is because Cam can't do certain things. There's nothing that any other QB can do that Cam can't. Cam has shown this from his first year to this year. Whenever somebody gets around to actually firing Shula and getting an offensive mind in here that knows how to adjust to defenses and attack weak points, we'll see a different efficiency.

Last season it was there because there was no KB, so everybody had to step up. We took advantage of teams overpursuing the run. That's not happening this year. So did our players just forget how to dominate, or did Shula start feeling himself and get lazy? I know what my money is on.

[GRWatcher]

11 hours ago, iamhubby1 said:

IMO, the main reason you don't roll out, is because you then are only using half the field.

 

Stay in the pocket, and you still get the whole field.

 

Half the field?...the whole field?...I'll take the whole field.

Agree. It also gives the receivers half a field so the coverage flows to that side. Honestly, until Benjamin & Funchess become more consistent, we don't have the WR's that can get good separation for it to work well. When I think of QB rollouts done well, I think of Big Ben & Hines Ward.

It's also Cam's choice at times to run instead of throw. I've seen him roll out several times looking to throw only to decide to tuck the ball & run. Not many QB's would do that.

[csx]

http://www.maizenbrew.com/2013/6/6/4401072/inside-the-Michigan-football-playbook-roll-outs-and-sprint-outs-part-i

I think this is a good potential explanation.

1. when you are tall you don't need to and are just cutting the field down

2. when you are a known running threat it doesn't work as well as the best athletes already have their attention focused on the qb

3. if the player isn't necessarily good at it, it's a bad idea. Cam isn't a great mechanics passer

[CRA]

18 hours ago, Jeremy Igo said:

 

Watching Dallas roll Dak out of the pocket to compete passes.

Rolling a QB out from time to time has always been a way to counter QB pressure in the NFL

Why is this never used by the Panthers?

 

Because Cam has always been a better passer inside the pocket?

it also handicaps your passing plays and forces you to work with half a field.  

We are forced to max protect and all that constantly to survive so doing rollouts could literally be asking one WR to get open....and they struggle at that 

[Jeremy Igo]

3 hours ago, CRA said:

Because Cam has always been a better passer inside the pocket?

it also handicaps your passing plays and forces you to work with half a field.  

We are forced to max protect and all that constantly to survive so doing rollouts could literally be asking one WR to get open....and they struggle at that 

TO be fair, with as much pressure Cam is under constantly, he is only working half the field at most until he has to duck and cover. 

[CRA]

59 minutes ago, Jeremy Igo said:

TO be fair, with as much pressure Cam is under constantly, he is only working half the field at most until he has to duck and cover. 

True.

I'm not against it.  At this point I will endorse any play that puts Cam in safer positions.  Cam at least isn't a sitting duck if we roll him out.  Rollouts often get TEs more involved and that likely means more Olsen targets