Offensive Tackles

[CRA]

18 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

There's a lot of flip flopping going on in the FO, say one thing and do another.....


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Yep.  

[The_Rainmaker]

5 minutes ago, Saca312 said:

Let me give you some nice little statistics from a nice little article:

http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/02/24/nfl-draft-combine-offensive-tackles-history

-In the last 10 years, when a tackle was chosen in the top 2 of the draft (there were 5), 0 are currently starter caliber.

-Speaking of high pick tackles, only 3 out of 17 were considered all pro out of the top 10 in 10 years of recency.  

-Very few, if any, out of college tackles would be able to adjust to the NFL's premiere pass rushers right off the bat.

-Quick paced offense of the college program calls for very few long developing plays, hindering most tackles from doing too much:

 

To put it bluntly, the pass rushers are way ahead of edge protectors (tackles), because of the style of college football is played. 

More tackles these days are busts, and this shows how much of a risk taking a tackle is nowadays.

Putting up your little screenshots and trying to claim the tackles weren't busts is truly terrible basic sourcing and fact checking.

The fact of the matter is more tackles are busts than not, and you've done nothing to help your case.

 

The screen shots are of their grades against this so called pass rushers and the OTs are getting their jobs done.

If these OTs are higher bust rates  how come GMs are drafting them anyways, becasue they probably know more than 2 little articles you posted. 

[Saca312]

Just now, The_Rainmaker said:

The screen shots are of their grades against this so called pass rushers and the OTs are getting their jobs done.

Please give evidence of this so called pass rusher owning these  OTs. 

Oh look. You literally just devalued yourself here.

Name me a pass rusher these tackles went against so far?

Any?

Looking at some of these statistics, it reaffirms my statement. Many tackles did poor some prior seasons, especially those in the same division as premiere pass rushers such as Miller.

These tackles don't face much competition from what I'm looking at. But give me statistics in a game where they virtually shut out legit pass rushers and I'll take a look.

Go back and do your homework kid. Thanksgiving break is almost over for you.

[Saca312]

4 minutes ago, The_Rainmaker said:

If these OTs are higher bust rates  how come GMs are drafting them anyways, becasue they probably know more than 2 little articles you posted. 

Because of the need. If you haven't noticed many teams need to work their oline (Panthers, by the way, before the Broncos had what was considered a top tier oline, most likely because of not going against many speed rushers. Let that sink in).

Smart GMs hope and pray their tackles work out. They already know how poor the product is coming out of college, so most don't expect starter ready tackles at all, and just hope they pan out.

These are cold hard statistics. I could pull up any source, and you'd see the same odds of finding decent OTs nowadays.

Then again, they probably don't teach you how to fact check or realize what's reliable or not nowadays in school, do they kid.

 

 

[The_Rainmaker]

10 minutes ago, Saca312 said:

Oh look. You literally just devalued yourself here.

Name me a pass rusher these tackles went against so far?

Any?

Looking at some of these statistics, it reaffirms my statement. Many tackles did poor some prior seasons, especially those in the same division as premiere pass rushers such as Miller.

These tackles don't face much competition from what I'm looking at. But give me statistics in a game where they virtually shut out legit pass rushers and I'll take a look.

Go back and do your homework kid. Thanksgiving break is almost over for you.

 

I did my homework , these OTs went against NFL pass rushers  and they graded out postives. Its up to you to name list of " not much of competiton pass rusher "

What statistics are you taking about can you post them on here?  

No OTs is going to shutdown a pass rushers just like a WR isn't going to catch every single ball but they did their jobs at a high level for majoirty of the games.

Your just saying bunch  words but have no proof to back it up. 

 

Homwork is due  in a hour : )

[stirs]

Don't think there will be an OT taken in the top 12 picks this coming draft.

[Saca312]

3 minutes ago, The_Rainmaker said:

 

I did my homework , these OTs went against NFL pass rushers  and they graded out postives. Its up to you to name list of " not much of competiton pass rusher they palyed"

What statistics are you taking about can you post them on here?  

No OTs is going to shutdown a pass rushers just like a WR isn't going to catch every single ball but they did their jobs at a high level for majoirty of the games.

Your just saying bunch  words but have no proof to back it up. 

 

Homwork is due  in a hour : )

Lol. Your argument is very flawed. I just gave you all the statistics in an earlier post. Shows you the grave reality of finding a quality tackle lately, unless you're looking for tackles as mediocre as Remmers, which you'll find plenty.

Can't argue with kids who have no idea what they're talking about. And who don't even bother to read anything else with viable facts concerning the odds of actually getting a quality tackle.

[CRA]

8 minutes ago, stirs said:

Don't think there will be an OT taken in the top 12 picks this coming draft.

Well this is a weak T draft. But if Bama's T has a good finish and combine I would wager he goes 

[ThPantherFan]

2 hours ago, The_Rainmaker said:

Myths about offensive tackles being busts.

I've spent several minutes trying to deduce what your point might be.  I'm not trying to be a smart ass because you obviously did some research, but what is the meaning?  Tackles are very much needed on this team.  We gambled and lost but that is the way things worked out.  We had a lot of holes to fill and Gettleman filled them as best he can.  I do believe he will draft a tackle in the 2017 draft.  Just my opinion.

[The_Rainmaker]

22 minutes ago, Saca312 said:

Lol. Your argument is very flawed. I just gave you all the statistics in an earlier post. Shows you the grave reality of finding a quality tackle lately, unless you're looking for tackles as mediocre as Remmers, which you'll find plenty.

Can't argue with kids who have no idea what they're talking about. And who don't even bother to read anything else with viable facts concerning the odds of actually getting a quality tackle.

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Let me give you some nice little statistics from a nice little article:

http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/02/24/nfl-draft-combine-offensive-tackles-history

-In the last 10 years, when a tackle was chosen in the top 2 of the draft (there were 5), 0 are currently starter caliber.

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Jake Long (2008) is a backup in Atlanta now after two major knee surgeries. Jason Smith (2009) failed with the Rams, in part because of a severe concussion, and is out of football. Eric Fisher (2013) is improving, but was Pro Football Focus’ 39th-rated tackle last year; Luke Joeckel (2013) continued to struggle in Jacksonville and was rated 52nd. Greg Robinson of the Rams (2014) was 73rd of PFF’s 76 rated tackles last fall.

-Speaking of high pick tackles, only 3 out of 17 were considered all pro out of the top 10 in 10 years of recency.  

 Just look at the list I posted and majority of them are starter materials yes couple of top 5 picks have been bust  but majority of Tackles taken in 1st round are successful 

Of course they are not alll going to be all-pro but they are starter material and have chances to become all pro because you know it takes a while to reach that level. 

But the real question is why are GMs and team grading the OTs high and taking them with top picks?

 

You still didn't answer this question and gave no proof 

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Looking at some of these statistics, it reaffirms my statement. Many tackles did poor some prior seasons, especially those in the same division as premiere pass rushers such as Miller.

These tackles don't face much competition from what I'm looking at. But give me statistics in a game where they virtually shut out legit pass rushers and I'll take a look.

Again you dont know what you taking about.  

[The_Rainmaker]

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[Saca312]

26 minutes ago, The_Rainmaker said:

 Just look at the list I posted and majority of them are starter materials yes couple of top 5 picks have been bust  but majority of Tackles taken in 1st round are successful 

Of course they are not alll going to be all-pro but they are starter material and have chances to become all pro because you know it takes a while to reach that level. 

But the real question is why are GMs and team grading the OTs high and taking them with top picks?

 

You still didn't answer this question and gave no proof 

Again you dont know what you taking about.  

This list doesn't show much drafted in the last two years anyways. You'd expect they'd half pan out by year 3 and show decency.

But they aren't your typically solid tackles either. Most teams around the league have weak tackles and run a west coast style offense to compensate.

Real bad skewing of statistics.

Now, like an earlier poster said, insert draft position into context. Any first rounder really not churning into a near top OT by year 3 is a disappointment to say the least. Sure, get yourself a decent starter, but he may not be first round worthy.

Sure, not every OT is a bust. But more often than not, they were not worth their draft position/overdrafted.

So considering that, most are busts.

[Ivan The Awesome]

1 hour ago, CRA said:

We aren't hanging by a thread at MLB.  We lose the best in the game and have before....but have starter caliber MLB that will step up into the role. 

how are you sure a GM will address our weakness in this draft? He didn't in the last one. 

Klein was hurt. Kuechly hurt. Mayo....uh...yeah Mayo was in there when both of them were down. I'm not exactly sure how much more of a thin thread you need in order to be hanging from it. 

 

Again, Free agency and draft. They go hand and hand.  Gettleman has said time and time again, he did go after some O linemen, maybe it wasn't to the liking of many here but he did do it. Also his record shows otherwise, in past drafts he has addressed needs on both sides of the ball. If I do recall the draft before this one or one before did address the line to an extent. It's not like he doesn't know how too either. Look at Turner, Williams, all the linemen he's drafted. Only Kugzilla was a bust and that was because of in jury and didn't cost much, a 4th rounder. His history shows he can find suitable linemen. I'm sure he will do this next draft or free agency. 

 

 

 

[raleigh-panther]

2 hours ago, Ivan The Awesome said:

 

They did address some through free agency, why do people not realize that the draft isn't the only place to address an issue? The injury bug has played a huge role as well. Also that 4th round punter has played huge dividends until his hammy went to poo. That was a well spent 4th round pick. 

Exactly how did they address it? A left tackle that just got released?   The backup center whose performance sucks

im sorry   They have done zero with the tackle position. Zero. Anyone who thinks remmers and oher were the answers,I don't know what to say