Panthers 2nd lowest spending team over last 4 years

[SOJA]

5 hours ago, CatMan72 said:

The one thing I take away from that chart is there's no correlation between spending and success. 

exactly! 

further correlation =/= causation. so even IF all the best teams spent the most money that doesn't necessarily mean that IS the reason they are the best. Maybe they just got lucky and hit on all of their draft picks, maybe they don't get as injured as often, maybe the refs give them more favorable calls.....the list goes on and on. 

 

My point is- not only is their no correlation here- but that's not even a good measurement of causation anyway. 

[My Goodness My Guinness]

Off the top of my head we overpaid Gano and Dickson.

Okay I agree about Gano, no sure what Dickson's contract was. Either way though, those weren't contracts on the same level as CJ or the Williams/Stewart extensions in terms of over paying


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[CPantherKing]

8 hours ago, My Goodness My Guinness said:

What are some of these bad investments? Because the only big contracts that he has handed out have been to Cam, Luke, Olsen, Kalil, Davis. Coleman was given a fair contract and so was Oher. I honestly don't know what you can be thinking of. 

• Paul Soliai 3.5M
• Michael Oher 7M
• Graham Gano 4M
• Andy Lee 4M
• Ted Ginn Jr 3M
• Kurt Coleman 5.5M
• Ed Dickson 3M
• Mike Remmers 3M
• Teddy Willaims 1M
• Mario Addison 1.5M

Gettleman refuses to put money in the top 10 to 12 key players on the team. He believes the top 10 to 12 players should only take up 50% of the salary cap instead of the philosophy of other teams that put at least 70% of the salary cap into those players. Keep in mind those top 10 to 12 players make up 80% of the touches and snaps of the team's on field production.

What does Gettleman do? He uses that extra 20% he saves from not paying the best players on the team to over pay mediocre players like Soliai, Gano, Coleman, and Remmers.

The Panthers invest 40% of their cap into 6 franchise players that carry the team (Cam, Olsen, Stewart, Kalil, Luke, and TD). They need 12 (10 minimum) franchise players past their rookie contracts that carry the team and not 6. Investing another 30% of the cap into another 6 franchise players is what the team needs instead of giving a group of 10 mediocre players, who rarely see the field or are consistently making mistakes on the field, that money.

The players listed above cost the team about 35M. You could replace them easily with equivalent talent that would hit the cap for 9-10M.

Let's be generous and swap out 4 of those players listed above for a 6M hit. Now, I am going to give you 29M plus the additional 18M in cap space to go shopping for 4 to 6 players that will start and make an impact that would compliment the 6 franchise players who carry the team now. 47M for 4 to 6 key players; an average of 7.5M to 11.5M.

Do you think you could find me 4 to 6 more players to win a SB for that asking price? Anyone could do that.

This team needs 4 to 6 more Josh Norman or Eric Weddle type players. Gettleman would rather let those caliber of players walk and get 10 to 15 more Paul Soliai, Michael Oher, and Andy Lee type players for the same price. It is clear to me which tier of players make an impact, and you get what you pay for imo. Quality comes before quantity if you want to win a SB.

All the Panthers have to do is stop paying premium price for bargain bin items and draft more players at a set price to fill out the roster with talented depth instead of just 5 per season.

It is not hard. Gettleman is just stubborn and loves over paying for a project/bargain.

[uncfan888]

Marty hurney's number one fan on here talking about anyone overspending is laughable 

[Nick_81]

How's this guy not our GM?  I mean, he totally gets it...

[MountaineerChemist10]

You save your cap space for players you want for the long haul for sure (i.e. Cam, Luke, Olsen, Davis) and just enough. Hurney went on an early Christmas shopping spree in '11, not to mention '09 *cough* Delhomme *cough* and spent LOADS on great players we didn't necessarily need (i.e. Johnson, Williams, Stewart, Gamble, Tolbert). Johnson and Stewart paid off, Tolbert's been ok but the rest were wastes. He used some of the cap space saved on Kalil, Oher and Coleman, which was a good move. Let's see what he does this offseason.

[CPF4LIFE]

On 12/5/2016 at 4:54 PM, My Goodness My Guinness said:

The Patriots only spent 5 million more than us. But I thought spending money was good?

WE.......ARE.......NOT.......THE.........PATRIOTS.

NOT EVEN CLOSE.

[My Goodness My Guinness]

• Paul Soliai 3.5M
• Michael Oher 7M
• Graham Gano 4M
• Andy Lee 4M
• Ted Ginn Jr 3M
• Kurt Coleman 5.5M
• Ed Dickson 3M
• Mike Remmers 3M
• Teddy Willaims 1M
• Mario Addison 1.5M

I stopped reading here because you decided to post an essay. How are any of these players a wasted "investment"? Oher was a decent LT starter and $7million is more than fair. Same with Remmers at 3.5 mil even if he is considered depth. Gano is overpaid sure and Teddy Williams doesn't deserve 1mil or Dickson 3 mil but these are not the type of deals that hurt a teams cap like you alluded to.

This isn't Madden where you can pick and choose any player in the league and get them at the price you see fit.


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[My Goodness My Guinness]

WE.......ARE.......NOT.......THE.........PATRIOTS.

NOT EVEN CLOSE.

What?? No way? I coulda sworn....


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[RumHam]

So the answer is to spend more cash in the offseason? If we were second highest last year, we were in the superb owl. Imagine if we had spent the most, we would have won. Now, we spend the second least and get a top 5 pick. We can't even do that right. If we wouldn't have spent anything, we'd get the number one pick. #Logic