Collapse of the running game has exposed Cam's weaknesses as a passer

[BIGH2001]

The more I watch Cam the less I think it's touch that is his issue but lack of anticipation. You give him a set spot to throw it to and he can get it there, even if he has to loft it a bit. He just doesn't do well when it comes to believing his receivers see what he sees and throwing it up hoping they react properly. It is one of the reasons I would love to see him in a west coast offense. So much of it is scripted and based off timing that it would help Cam immensely. People bitch about his short accuracy and so much of that is because he throws balls one way and his receivers cut or lean or tilt the other. The entire offense is just out of sync.

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People like to say the receivers aren't getting separation, blah blah. Most NFL receivers arent "open" as we would define it. Good QBs will throw them open by creating space with the DB.

The other way to create space is to have a really good running game that throws the defense off balance, something we don't have, which is the point of this thread.

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[tiger7_88]

11 hours ago, truthjuice said:

LMAO. 

LMAO. 

The Usual Suspects do eventually crawl out of the cracks, don't they?

[tiger7_88]

10 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Cam has always been a more athletic version of Brett Favre, right down to Favre's weaknesses.

Even up till the end of his career, Favre never lost his tendency to throw hardballs, his habit of throwing at least one or two "WTF" passes a game, or his gambling nature that occasionally backfired.

I doubt Cam will either.

Yes, you can win with a Brett Favre, but the formula has to be right. Honestly, every quarterback has weaknesses you have to work around. Newton is no exception.

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhh... the Kiddie Table is talking and if you don't listen and nod, they will hold their breath and stomp their feet.

[tiger7_88]

10 hours ago, TheMostInterestingMan said:

There is no other QB I would rather have in the entire NFL.

Wait for it...

Wait for it...

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10 hours ago, TheMostInterestingMan said:

But

AND THERE IT IS!

[truthjuice]

23 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

The Usual Suspects do eventually crawl out of the cracks, don't they?

Every single time lmao. But I found out last night some are mad because sometimes all you can do is LOL because some things are that ridiculous. 

[AceBoogie]

The typical blame the black qb thread because if he's not running all over the field he's no good. 

[TheMostInterestingMan]

49 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

Wait for it...

Wait for it...

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AND THERE IT IS!

So I guess objectivity isn't allowed in our fan base? You either wear a homer hat 100% of the time or else you get ridiculed for your opinion? Lol

 

let me make easy for you to understand. EVERY QB that has EVER played has weaknesses. Examples. Peyton could make all the throws BUT he had almost no athletic ability. Brady can make all the reads, BUT he gets pretty rattled under pressure. Jay Cutler might have the strongest arm, BUT he makes awful decisions.

And to my original statement, there is no QB I would rather have than Cam Newton, BUT he struggles on intermediate routes.

How is this hard to understand? Or did you just want pie and figured making a critique of my post out of nothing was a good route to take? C'mon man.

[tiger7_88]

1 minute ago, TheMostInterestingMan said:

So I guess objectivity isn't allowed in our fan base? You either wear a homer hat 100% of the time or else you get ridiculed for your opinion? Lol

Yeah, you're right dude.

IF ONLY Cam would stop getting that free pass from the Carolina fanbase, Charlotte media, and national media, and if only Ron "I would have taken a shot too" Rivera would stop coddling him, things would be ever so much better.

Cam just doesn't get near enough criticism.  NAILED IT, Mr. Hot Take.

[TheMostInterestingMan]

7 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

Yeah, you're right dude.

IF ONLY Cam would stop getting that free pass from the Carolina fanbase, Charlotte media, and national media, and if only Ron "I would have taken a shot too" Rivera would stop coddling him, things would be ever so much better.

Cam just doesn't get near enough criticism.  NAILED IT, Mr. Hot Take.

Again... in case you missed it.

et me make easy for you to understand. EVERY QB that has EVER played has weaknesses. Examples. Peyton could make all the throws BUT he had almost no athletic ability. Brady can make all the reads, BUT he gets pretty rattled under pressure. Jay Cutler might have the strongest arm, BUT he makes awful decisions.

And to my original statement, there is no QB I would rather have than Cam Newton, BUT he struggles on intermediate routes.

How is this hard to understand? Or did you just want pie and figured making a critique of my post out of nothing was a good route to take? C'mon man.

You are super Internet cool "Mr. hot take"

sigh

Ps. I am not attacking Cam. I'm only pointing out where he clearly has a weak spot in his passing game. I'm not crucifying him. Try harder.

[thefuzz]

There are a lot of problems this season with the Panthers.  Cam is one of them.

 

I have said since Cam's rookie season, if this guy ever gets the "finer points" of the game...look out, he will become unstoppable.  Cam is a damn near clone of John Elway.  Huge arm, hugely athletic, but not a great "passer" of the football.

Cam's completion % will never be as high as Brady or Ryan or Brees....it's a combo of the type player that he is, and the offense that we run.  That's OK though, those QB's can't do what Cam can....weather that's a 40 yard pass on a rope, or push the pile 4 yards for an important 1st down.  Problem this year, we have taken (on purpose) an arrow out of Cam's quiver, but he hasn't polished the footwork and touch needed to add an arrow back.

My guess, he works his ass off this year to become a better QB, DG get's some more talent on offense to help him, and we get a new OC that hopefully re-energizes Cam.

Those things happen, and we stay relatively healthy next season, and the NFCS is ours again.

[Darvinsun]

13 hours ago, Khyber53 said:

I'm sorry to break some hearts, but Fiz is right.

We won today because of our defensive depth --- all of those crazy defensive draft picks and the depth in positions, and even the belief that two rookie CBs could eventually work out. That's how the game was won.

A short field for series after series in the first half allowed the team to score points, and that was purely on our defense. And that was Phillip Rivers out there (in one of his worst years, sure) not a Case Keenum or Sam Bradford.

The defense played with fire and like they really were the heir apparent to the 2015 squad.

And then Cam. 10/27 for 160 yards, 1 TD, 1 Int. As quarterbacking in the Carolinas goes, that was very Chris Weinke-esque. 31 yards on the ground doesn't shore that up much either. He was only sacked twice.

14/32 182 yards, 1 TD the week before. 14/29 246 yards, 2 TD before that against the Raiders. 14/33 192 yards, 1 TD against New Orleans. Three games in a row with just 14 completions, followed up today by just 10.

Man, I've been sniped at for saying that Cam isn't playing like Cam anymore, but the stats don't lie.  And either Fiz is completely right (and what he wrote has a lot of merit) or  Cam has just up and given up on the season, and he did it some time ago -- long before we were our of the running.

It sucks to be writing this AFTER a win, but Shula may have to go just simply because last year he took Cam as far as he could. It's going to have to take someone new to reach Cam and drag better mechanics and decision making out of him. If it can't happen, then we're going to be stuck with what Atlanta found itself in a little over a decade ago.

 

I  agree somewhat..those throws that you are mentioning Cam did last year..He was killing the blitz..He was doing good in the Denver game this year but the missed field goal I believe did alot...All summer you work hard to prove you should have won the SB only to be defeated again..next game you win ..but it snow balls from there bc you realize its a big mountain and no one is going to help you...you have been carrying the offense for 6 yrs with Olsen and Smith..you realize officials dont care about your health and just maybe your coach...To say he can not make those throws is an insult..but play calling and who we have for receivers is what I see..KB coming back has handicap the team..Shula does not know how to do combo routes nobody as a receiver is putting on moves against Dbs. Cam does not have time to look off defenders and when he does he is shell shocked from the inconsistent line play...He needs to improve ..hell what QB doesn't but to say he can not throw intermediate passes is just plain wrong because he did it last yr. under the blitz...He needs to regroup his mental has to adjust and so does the rest of the team..new receiver new play caller and a decent tackle..hell i mite just take decent tackle.  but just something new.

[PantherWake]

Cam does deserve some blame. The reason why people in this thread defend him so hard is because they either blame it on poo like post game attire or bring in their personal feelings they have always felt about Cam which i'll let you decide what that means.

[Mr. Scot]

1 hour ago, thefuzz said:

I have said since Cam's rookie season, if this guy ever gets the "finer points" of the game...look out, he will become unstoppable.  Cam is a damn near clone of John Elway.  Huge arm, hugely athletic, but not a great "passer" of the football.

Elway never really got the "finer points".

[thefuzz]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

Elway never really got the "finer points".

Nope, and I fully expect Cam to follow right down that path...those guys rarely change at this point.

 

You can win with that type QB....sometimes they can just be too physically imposing....but it's typically a roller coaster ride.  

Just buckle up and try to enjoy it, that's the best way to handle it.