Spotrac predicts KK contract

[Jon Snow]

1 minute ago, Growl said:

I'm not sure what kind of existential commentary about sentiment you're trying to make here but I don't care either.

You obviously do because you have been berating Dave for choosing not to pay out the ass for players that are not worth thier over inflated asking price to this franchise.   

[Kakarot]

Just now, Growl said:

Vernon Butler's presence in no way helps us retain Kawann Short. We may have another option should the worst occur but frankly that modus operandi has yet to yield any positive dividends for us, which, now that I think about it, will only embolden KK's side at the table even more. What it ultimately comes down to though is that Short doesn't care how the defensive tackle position looks without him. 

 

"I don't have to pay you that much, because i have Vernon butler"

"okay"

*signs with Atlanta*

*tensions boil over in locker room, team implodes, maybe literally"

That's another thing. I imagine losing KK would be a big blow to that locker room. Tag him or pay him, but if you tag him, the goal should try to get a long term deal done. We don't need to lose KK

[Growl]

I'm remiss to talk about "team chemistry" but that plays a very prominent role here as well.

There was a very clear divide between the locker room and the front office over Norman. Short knows that as well. Gettleman cannot let that happen again. If guys don't feel like there's any good faith in negotiations, if they feel like there's no commitment to winning (reinforced by how loss of Norman affected us last season) if they feel as if ownership isn't in their corner and is seemingly operating against them, that is poison.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins PhD]

2 minutes ago, Growl said:

Vernon Butler's presence in no way helps us retain Kawann Short. We may have another option should the worst occur but frankly that modus operandi has yet to yield any positive dividends for us, which, now that I think about it, will only embolden KK's side at the table even more. What it ultimately comes down to though is that Short doesn't care how the defensive tackle position looks without him. 

 

"I don't have to pay you that much, because i have Vernon butler"

"okay"

*signs with Atlanta*

*tensions boil over in locker room, team implodes, maybe literally"

If Kk was the only DT on our roster,  would his agent not have more bargaining power? 

[pantherclaw]

43 minutes ago, rodeo said:

After Norman players are going to know they can just refuse to sign the tag and then go anywhere they want for big money

Panthers weren't willing to over pay a CB that plays zone defense. 

Therefore,  Panthers won't pay the tag on a top talent at DT. 

Sorry, I don't buy that hyperbole.

[Jon Snow]

Just now, Kakarot said:

That's another thing. I imagine losing KK would be a big blow to that locker room. Tag him or pay him, but if you tag him, the goal should try to get a long term deal done. We don't need to lose KK

No it won't.  These guys know it's a business.  And inorder for us to keep him he will have to come off that contract number just a bit or he is definitely walking.

[Cary Kollins]

I wonder if KK lost value after this non-pro bowl season.

If so, Gettlemagic?

[gmonjimbo]

Yeah I think the best bet is to tag him and then let him walk in 2018. History shows that 100 million dollar deals to DT do not work look at the Albert Haynesworth, Suh, Malik Jackson 

[Growl]

1 minute ago, Leeroy Jenkins PhD said:

If Kk was the only DT on our roster,  would his agent not have more bargaining power? 

Teams carry more than 1 DT on the roster, try to keep up.

[TheRed]

46 minutes ago, Bogart said:

And if that happens then we get a 3rd round comp pick and move on.  I would suggest that you not get emotionally attached to players.

I don't think that was his point.

If things don't work out with KK, so be it. But just as you say fans shouldn't be emotional, our FO should not be either. In regard that obviously we shouldn't panic and throw him record money like Hurney might have, but on the flip side we should act professionally, and not let negotiations get personal via simple ego.

He simply stated the obvious, our tactics with Norman whether you believe them to be right or wrong will have ripple effects.

[Jon Snow]

Just now, TheRed said:

I don't think that was his point.

If things don't work out with KK, so be it. But just as you say fans shouldn't be emotional, our FO should not be either. In regard that obviously we shouldn't panic and throw him record money like Hurney might have, but on the flip side we should act professionally, and not let negotiations get personal via simple ego.

He simply stated the obvious, our tactics with Norman whether you believe them to be right or wrong will have ripple effects.

His tactics?  What tactics?  The one where Norman's agent fuged up so bad  that he got fired for pissing off Dave?  And Norman went begging back to Dave to reconsider after he jerked him around for months refusing to sign because he was GOAT and will be paid accordingly?   Those tactics?  How dare he!

You guys need to get over that because neither you nor I know exactly what went down other than an agent fuged up for his client and got fired.  Josh got his money.

[Fox007]

Yea we can't keep losing these people but that is a bogus contract that I wouldn't pay. I'd try to get a good trade out of it.

1st and 3/4 would probably do it.

I mean really....ugh...if the cap goes up by like 5 mil or so I guess....just saw that it's supposed to go up like 10+ million wow...yea I'd do it on that thought but still would consider a trade depending on how much we can get.

[RoaringRiot]

When/where did GMan say he was using the Norman money on KK? I missed that quote.

[Jon Snow]

Just now, RoaringRiot said:

When/where did GMan say he was using the Norman money on KK? I missed that quote.

I think was an assumption on the locals mind and thus it is so.   I don't recall him saying he was going to pay KK with that money, only that he was moving on from Josh and going to focus on other things like signing KK.