Ok, so with the BPA theory... Show me your Panthers draft big board (or, in my initial post, the top 30 prospects)

[LinvilleGorge]

5 minutes ago, shaqattaq said:

I'm intrigued that you have cam as the 3rd OT on your board. Everything I've seen places him as the clear leader by a large margin, pray tell why you downgraded him.

Also, I am really hoping that that we can get Ramcyzk (or Johnson)in the 2nd.

Off field concerns. I didn't list him because I have a feeling he won't even be on our draft board at all.

[LinvilleGorge]

5 minutes ago, CRA said:

If Deshaun Watson repeats last seasons performance vs Bama he will shoot right back up IMO. 

 

Very possible. I'd love for him to do just that. IMO, the guy isn't an NFL QB, but any QBs who go before we're on the board the better for us. 

[*FreeFua*]

9 minutes ago, CRA said:

If Deshaun Watson repeats last seasons performance vs Bama he will shoot right back up IMO. 

 

I also hope the Jags want to go all in on their DL and draft Jonathon Allen.

 

Dante Fowler, Jonathon Allen and Malik Jackson is solid

[*FreeFua*]

11 minutes ago, shaqattaq said:

I'm intrigued that you have cam as the 3rd OT on your board. Everything I've seen places him as the clear leader by a large margin, pray tell why you downgraded him.

Also, I am really hoping that that we can get Ramcyzk (or Johnson)in the 2nd.

Watch some of Robinson's cut ups. Especially the Wisconsin game from last season. He has some Remmers-esque whiffs in him

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, stbugs said:

I'm not a fan of Peppers for us. Seems like he doesn't fit and no way IMHO is a better LB than Shaq. I don't think he'll last long enough, but at the 2nd pick, I'd be OK with him at S if we didn't draft Hooker/Adams earlier.

If we drafted Peppers and Ron and Dave sat up there and proclaimed they drafted him as a LB...

[Daddy_Uncle]

I just want a fat boy with a cute name and a silly personality

[Growl]

lol a linebacker

The denizens of the Queen City will burn BoA to the ground if we take another LB at 8

[Captain Morgan]

1 hour ago, CRA said:

 

my vote today, is for Gettlemen to trade down and acquire more picks. Don't love the 8th spot for Carolina. 

 

I've given this some thought.  The draft value of #8 is huge.  ( http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/draft/draft-trade-chart/)  For example, let's say a team drafting at 15 wanted to move up...they would have to give us their first and second to get there.

If a team drafting 20th wanted to move up to 8, it would take their 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th, roughly.

 

It's really a conundrum....no idea what Getty thinks, but we could get an elite/near elite safety or rb with #8.  And there is no OT worth taking at 8. So we could use the extra picks to trade back and get an OT in first, and have at least 2 seconds and 2 thirds, maybe 3 thirds.  And that would be some fun shopping.  Getty says the draft is deep in DE, DB, and RB.  

It appears to me to be a bad draft for OT and TE.  I know most of you don't consider that a real need, but I do, and this year.  Olsen goes down, we don't even win 6 this year. 

This could easily change after the combine either way, but it's worth thinking about.

[top dawg]

47 minutes ago, shaqattaq said:

I'm intrigued that you have cam as the 3rd OT on your board. Everything I've seen places him as the clear leader by a large margin, pray tell why you downgraded him.

Also, I am really hoping that that we can get Ramcyzk (or Johnson)in the 2nd.

If Ramczyk's health doesn't become a major concern, he's not lasting until day two.

[LinvilleGorge]

Every year most fanbases want their team to trade down. On paper, it's a wonderful thing. But, there's a number of reasons why it rarely happens.

1. Teams want to add the best possible prospect to their roster. If there's a prospect on the board who they feel is worthy of the draft spot, they're probably taking him and not even listening to trade offers.

2. The price to move up is high. Unless a team really loves a prospect, they probably won't be willing to pay the price.

3. The potential for egg on face is high for the team trading down. Yeah, you got a nice bevy of picks in the trade, but that other team drafted a future HOFer.

[top dawg]

1 hour ago, CRA said:

BPA is generally coach talk and how they justify taking who they prefer (based on positional preference, need, skill set preferences, many things).  

BPA is usually different for all 32 teams at any spot because of that.  

I think Dave would prefer a lineman with an appropriate value be available there.  I think that is his preference.  He probably knows he has to take DTs off the board with the 8th at this point. 

Sadly, I think Gettlemen is old school in his philosophy and would likely rank RBs higher than most in today's world. 

So if there isn't a lineman and a RB exists with a good enough value I see him going there.  

What I want Carolina to do is different than what I think they will do. I think if Fournette is gone and no lineman stands out he would consider Peppers (which I don't like given we have TD and Shaq)

my vote today, is for Gettlemen to trade down and acquire more picks. Don't love the 8th spot for Carolina. 

 

Hey, I could live with trading down. Don't see it happening unless we get a mini king's ransom though. We'd have to get at least a two and a three, and maybe even a four, especially if Fournette is who they're after.

We'd move down to team X's one, plus we'd have two 2s, three 3s, and 2 fours, and if it was a team ahead of us, they'd have to give us their first rounder next year (and maybe their 4th). 

Perhaps we'll get to see the power of Fournette after all, but I doubt it.

:)

[Riverboat Ron]

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

1. Garrett

2. Allen - I know it's not a need and I know everyone would howl, but Gettleman would pick this dude in a heartbeat.

3. Fournette - the first of the realistic options

4. Malik Hooker - I like him better than Adams

5. Derek Barnett

5. Jamal Adams

6. Corey Davis - has size which everyone knows Gettleman likes, but he also has speed. He's faster than Williams hence why he's higher.

All gone? Unlikely, but try like hell to trade down.

 

I agree with this. 

 

I will assume Garrett and Allen will be gone by #8 so I won't include them.

 

1. Malik Hooker (probably goes to TEN or SD)

2. Leonard Fournette (Might go to NYJ)

3. Derek Barnett ( could go to any team before us)

4. Dalvin Cook (Very decisive pick on the forums but I could see him go here)

5. Jamal Adams (Actually not sure if Gettleman will value a SS this high)

[LinvilleGorge]

15 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Big yes on #3. There is a lot of potential at 8. That said, there is a worst case scenario and I wouldn't mind trading down in that case. Worst case as I posted earlier is taking OT/WR/CB, the best one out there, but those positions have a few guys that are close, so trading down would be fine. If Fournette, Barnett, Adams and Hooker are gone, I'd be happy to trade down since I don't think there are that many truly elite guys. We really need to hope Trubisky declares and then a few of the QBs doing really well at the combine/pro days.

If we want a RB and trade down instead of picking Fournette, it would be miserable watching him turn into Adrian Peterson for another team.

"Close" prospects in theory often turn out to be anything but in reality. Just because the pundits think that there's a bunch of guys who are close doesn't necessarily mean that NFL personnel people agree.

[top dawg]

4 minutes ago, stbugs said:

I have no idea where you are looking, but this year is about as good as it gets for TE prospects. Butt will drop due to the ACL, but Howard and Njoku could go in the 1st, at worst early 2nd. Everett, Engram, Leggett and Hodges are rated in the 2nd/3rd rounds. Butt was in that same group, but likely a 4th/5th rounder now after the injury. There are also another 4 prospects in the 4th round range and another 4-5 that will likely be drafted.

In 2016, Hunter Henry went in the 2nd and I like 2 guys better than him. Hooper and Vannett went in the 3rd and I like all 6 of the top prospects better than both and Butt as well if he didn't get hurt, but after recovery probably as well. I'd put the next 4 in the Higbee range (Devalve from Princeton was a big reach). None of the guys in the 6th and 7th rounds last year will amount to anything and likely the last group of TEs that get drafted in 2017 won't either. That said, I'd put the top 11 prospects in 2017 with the top 4 last year. 2017 is a great draft to need a TE.

I get what you're saying, but all these TEs aren't going to be superstars.  That's not how life works. We have to pick one of the ones that actually will be.