Myles Garrett to Cleveland FAR from a lock

[arbnranger]

7 minutes ago, gorillamilitia13 said:

Imo, a player coming out of college who hasn't proved anything in the NFL needs to keep their mouth shut and play for whoever takes them, no matter who it is.

Yea totally agree but in the other video he did say (paraphrasing)

He really didn't care who picked him. He would play wherever and feels like bringing motivation and a winning attitude is contagious and could turn a program around. 

[LinvilleGorge]

47 minutes ago, rippadonn said:

Garrett and his agent saying "come and get me!". 

Just business here, because I like the player and his potential but, there isn't a single WR I wouldn't throw in that deal. We've got plenty plus Olsen. Former first plus a first.

To me KB and Funch are a toss up. Funch may be more polished at this point.

KB is the only WR we have who has any trade value. We'd be lucky to get a late round conditional pick out of anyone else. 

Everyone talks about Funch being polished and being this and being that, but the guy is the great vanishing act come game day.

[Toomers]

8 hours ago, stirs said:

Normal teams might not take the deal and Cleveland might not take the deal, but was just for discussion.

Cleveland gets their QB/TE combo and next years #1 and Gregory who has potential.  At least that is how I would sell it.

Cleveland can take a great play at 12 like Cook and probably get one of this yrs top 3 QB's at 28.  New QB who is legit, great TE, great new RB and future QB to learn behind Romo.  And another #1 next season.  Who knows

   It can't be a discussion with CLE involved. Thee one team that doesn't care about winning this year. They have made that clear. Romo and Witten have no value to them. Romo will be cut, so no team will trade for him. Maybe a 6th if a team willing to pay him 14M. Witten is done, basically. And Gregory just got banned for a year a month ago. Sorry, but it is too far-fetched to be taken seriously. 

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, Toomers said:

   It can't be a discussion with CLE involved. Thee one team that doesn't care about winning this year. They have made that clear. Romo and Witten have no value to them. Romo will be cut, so no team will trade for him. Maybe a 6th if a team willing to pay him 14M. Witten is done, basically. And Gregory just got banned for a year a month ago. Sorry, but it is too far-fetched to be taken seriously. 

This.

"Here's a couple of dinosaurs and the DE equivalent of Josh Gordon. That should be plenty to get from #28 to #1, right?"

LOL!

[Nails]

3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

This.

"Here's a couple of dinosaurs and the DE equivalent of Josh Gordon. That should be plenty to get from #28 to #1, right?"

LOL!

Yep.  The Cowboys entire draft is worth 1,181 points.  The #1 pick is worth 3,000.  Very stupid Garrett.

[Hoenheim]

Could you imagine if we traded up for garrett and brought in peppers or jpp in Free Agency...

[Hoenheim]

Yeah the Cowboys would never be able to match the cost of trading for the #1 pick .

Even for us at 8 the cost would probably be too steep to be worth it. Anyone have an estimate what it would take for us to trade up to #1? I'd day pick 8, pick 40 , and our high 3Rd rounder have some decent value but I'm guessing we would have to throw future picks in there and that's were it gets dicey gambling away all those future high round picks is playing with fire 

[uncfan888]

35 minutes ago, Hoenheim said:

Yeah the Cowboys would never be able to match the cost of trading for the #1 pick .

Even for us at 8 the cost would probably be too steep to be worth it. Anyone have an estimate what it would take for us to trade up to #1? I'd day pick 8, pick 40 , and our high 3Rd rounder have some decent value but I'm guessing we would have to throw future picks in there and that's were it gets dicey gambling away all those future high round picks is playing with fire 

Yeah, when the skins moved up from 6 to 2 to take RG3, they gave up their first, their second, and two more firsts. That's a poo ton

And then last year when the rams went from 15 to 1..

Tennessee gets: Rams' first-round pick (2016), two second-round picks (2016), a third-round pick (2016), a first-round pick (2017) and another third-round pick (2017).

Rams get: Titans' first-overall pick (2016), a fourth-round pick (2016) and a sixth-round pick (2016).

[rippadonn]

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

KB is the only WR we have who has any trade value. We'd be lucky to get a late round conditional pick out of anyone else. 

Everyone talks about Funch being polished and being this and being that, but the guy is the great vanishing act come game day.

Less targets for Funch with KB back. At the end of 2015 he was playing very well. He made some tough catches this year also. Him and the rest of the WR did pretty well in the run up to the SB.

 

 

[LinvilleGorge]

11 minutes ago, rippadonn said:

Less targets for Funch with KB back. At the end of 2015 he was playing very well. He made some tough catches this year also. Him and the rest of the WR did pretty well in the run up to the SB.

 

 

Sounds good, it's just not accurate. He received only five less targets this year. His catch percentage was under 40%. Why bother throwing to the guy?

[top dawg]

11 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Sounds good, it's just not accurate. He received only five less targets this year. His catch percentage was under 40%. Why bother throwing to the guy?

As much as you dump on Funch, you better be willing to eat some serious crow when he becomes more productive.

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, top dawg said:

As much as you dump on Funch, you better be willing to eat some serious crow when he becomes more productive.

I hope I get the chance. I'm just not seeing any indication that's likely. He regressed last year. He showed some promise late in 2015, then he simply didn't look like an NFL caliber WR in 2016. I don't intend to "dump on" the guy, just pretty much stating the obvious.

[top dawg]

9 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I hope I get the chance. I'm just not seeing any indication that's likely. He regressed last year. He showed some promise late in 2015, then he simply didn't look like an NFL caliber WR in 2016. I don't intend to "dump on" the guy, just pretty much stating the obvious.

I haven't even looked the numbers up, but I'd bet that every receiver in 2015 took a step back in 2016, much less a 21 year old, raw receiver who was the fifth option. That's pretty obvious also. Just saying. Oh, excuse me, 22.

[LinvilleGorge]

13 minutes ago, top dawg said:

I haven't even looked the numbers up, but I'd bet that every receiver in 2015 took a step back in 2016, much less a 21 year old, raw receiver who was the fifth option. That's pretty obvious also. Just saying.

 

In terms of catch percentage

KB was +6.2% compared to 2014 (obviously didn't play in 2015)

Everything following is 2015 vs. 2016

Olsen was virtually identical (62.1% vs. 62.0%)

Ginn was +24%

Philly was -11.4% 

Funchess was -20%

Cam wasn't as accurate this season, particularly late in the season, but Funchess and Philly regressed. Everyone else was at or above their previous level.