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BREAKING: Short extended, 5 years 80 million

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By nctarheel0619,
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LinvilleGorge Grand Master

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Just now, electro's horse said:

the marginal differences between techniques doesnt supersede the teams inability to pay big money to two with a first round rookie. 

you just can't invest that much capitol on three players that can't be on the field at the same time.

Marginal? There's a BIG difference between the three technique and the nose. They may both be called DTs but their role in the defense is very different.

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Glad this deal got done. Sometimes you have to overpay a bit for top talent because someone else surely will if you won't. 

Guess this really boiled down to him or Norman. Lets hope Short proves him right, he certainly has the talent to do so if he combines it with the right work ethic and attitude.

 

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Will this change the draft strategy?  Probably.

I can't possibly imagine us drafting Jonathan Allen at #8 now and I honestly can't see a three technique DT taken until late if at all. It'd be very tough for a rookie three technique to make this roster now.

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1 minute ago, panther4life said:

Glad this deal got done. Sometimes you have to overpay a bit for elite talent because someone else surely will if you won't. 

Guess this really boiled down to him or Norman. Lets hope Short proves him right, he certainly has the talent to do so if he combines it with the right work ethic and attitude.

 

As has been mentioned already.  It sounds like a lot, but he would have gotten more elsewhere probably.  I'm cool with the deal.

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1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Marginal? There's a BIG difference between the three technique and the nose. They may both be called DTs but their role in the defense is very different.

marginal compared to the difference between having 3 very good DTs and warm bodies off the street at offensive tackle or safety.

like these things are all connected.

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Just now, electro's horse said:

marginal compared to the difference between having 3 very good DTs and warm bodies off the street at offensive tackle or safety.

like these things are all connected.

An elite three technique is largely a waste of money if you don't have a quality NT beside him to demand a double team.

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