Hurney "isn't sure" he's only interim

[csx]

Richardson isn't to blame for our two SB losses. A few different bounces of the ball and that entire argument means nothing at all.

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, csx said:

Richardson isn't to blame for our two SB losses. A few different bounces of the ball and that entire argument means nothing at all.

Richardson is the only constant in twenty plus years of organizational ups, downs and mediocrity.

He created, and maintains, the overriding culture where successful executives can be let go if they hurt someone's feelings.

Again, his right to do things his way, but his way has won nothing.

[Pimpdaddy]

7 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Richardson is the only constant in twenty plus years of organizational ups, downs and mediocrity.

He created, and maintains, the overriding culture where successful executives can be let go if they hurt someone's feelings.

Again, his right to do things his way, but his way has won nothing.

if its up to JR...i think he'll just retain Hurney...no effort and easy solution for him...but didn't he retain a group to hire Gman?

[ickmule]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

Actually not revisionist.

There were plenty of stories at the time of Polian's departure that detailed the friction between the two.  It ultimately boiled down to two things 1) a clash between Richardson's laid back southern style and Bill Polian's angry northerner persona, and 2) a good old fashioned power struggle where Richardson wouldn't let someone who knew what he was doing take control. He had to do it his way.

Richardson certainly has the right to run his team his way. The only problem is "his way" has resulted in twenty plus seasons with no championships. Meanwhile, Gettleman already has 2 rings and Polian led the Colts to the Super Bowl glory that Richardson's teams can only dream about.

Man, best post I've read on here in forever. Some can't see that out problems all come from out owner. Nothing will ever change until there is new ownership. 

[Mr. Scot]

23 minutes ago, ickmule said:

Man, best post I've read on here in forever. Some can't see that out problems all come from out owner. Nothing will ever change until there is new ownership. 

There was a time when Richardson was smart enough to realize that he needed to step back and let someone else that knew more about football than he did (Ernie Accorsi) fix his franchise. That's how we got Gettleman in the first place.

Jerry Jones did that once too, when he hired Bill Parcells. But a few years later, Jones decided to go back to doing it his way, with predictable results.

I've never been a fan of comparing Jerry Richardson to Jerry Jones, but unfortunately if the shoe fits...

We can certainly hope that Richardson at some point once again grasps the need to let someone better than him steer the ship, but I'm not holding my breath.

[Cyberjag]

10 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Actually not revisionist.

There were plenty of stories at the time of Polian's departure that detailed the friction between the two.  It ultimately boiled down to two things 1) a clash between Richardson's laid back southern style and Bill Polian's angry northerner persona, and 2) a good old fashioned power struggle where Richardson wouldn't let someone who knew what he was doing take control. He had to do it his way.

Richardson certainly has the right to run his team his way. The only problem is "his way" has resulted in twenty plus seasons with no championships. Meanwhile, Gettleman already has 2 rings and Polian led the Colts to the Super Bowl glory that Richardson's teams can only dream about.

So now according to you Polian was fired just like Gettleman because JR didn't like his style?  Or are you revising the meaning of the word revisionist?

Richardson was very hands off for the first decade of this team's existence.  There may have been some friction, but the issues between him and Polian boiled down to Polian wanting the President role as well as GM.  If things had actually gone the way you suggest, then yes, he would have been fired.  Instead he quit and immediately took the dual role he wanted in Indianapolis, where he was fortunate enough to draft one of the greatest quarterbacks the game has ever known.  And with that QB, his teams made the Super Bowl twice in 13 years and won one of them.

I completely agree with your second assertion, Richardson does things his way now.  His hands have been all over the franchise since he fired his sons and took a more active role, and there've been a lot of decisions made out of impatience since then which I'm no fan of.  Frankly, I don't get the timing of the Gettleman firing at all--if he knew he would get rid of him this year why not do it before we lost Beane, after all?  Could it be that JR appreciates GMan's drafting skill?  Maybe so.

I think Hurney did a fair job when paired with Fox and when he didn't have an owner breathing down his neck.  I think he did a pretty poor job from 2009 on.  And I think he's here to mind the shop only and no decision has been made anywhere regarding the long term future of the GM position.  Despite the way PFT spins things, and they spin them very hard, I will be pretty surprised if he's our GM next year at this time.  

I hope you relax a little about this and enjoy the stuff coming out of camp.  If you spend too much time giving credence to controversies that PFT drums up, you're going to miss a lot of what I hope are very good things for Panthers fans this season.

[Mr. Scot]

44 minutes ago, Cyberjag said:

So now according to you Polian was fired just like Gettleman because JR didn't like his style?  Or are you revising the meaning of the word revisionist?

Richardson was very hands off for the first decade of this team's existence.  There may have been some friction, but the issues between him and Polian boiled down to Polian wanting the President role as well as GM.  If things had actually gone the way you suggest, then yes, he would have been fired.  Instead he quit and immediately took the dual role he wanted in Indianapolis, where he was fortunate enough to draft one of the greatest quarterbacks the game has ever known.  And with that QB, his teams made the Super Bowl twice in 13 years and won one of them.

I completely agree with your second assertion, Richardson does things his way now.  His hands have been all over the franchise since he fired his sons and took a more active role, and there've been a lot of decisions made out of impatience since then which I'm no fan of.  Frankly, I don't get the timing of the Gettleman firing at all--if he knew he would get rid of him this year why not do it before we lost Beane, after all?  Could it be that JR appreciates GMan's drafting skill?  Maybe so.

I think Hurney did a fair job when paired with Fox and when he didn't have an owner breathing down his neck.  I think he did a pretty poor job from 2009 on.  And I think he's here to mind the shop only and no decision has been made anywhere regarding the long term future of the GM position.  Despite the way PFT spins things, and they spin them very hard, I will be pretty surprised if he's our GM next year at this time.  

I hope you relax a little about this and enjoy the stuff coming out of camp.  If you spend too much time giving credence to controversies that PFT drums up, you're going to miss a lot of what I hope are very good things for Panthers fans this season.

The notion of Hurney "doing okay" is the real revisionism here.

I have zero desire to see this team go back to the days of entire drafts wasted, free agent periods with no signings and having to wait 3-4 years for an occasional halfway decent season.

[Cyberjag]

8 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

The notion of Hurney "doing okay" is the real revisionism here.

I have zero desire to see this team go back to the days of entire drafts wasted, free agent periods with no signings and having to wait 3-4 years for an occasional halfway decent season.

Did I say great?  He was ok.  In his first five years he assembled a roster that went to the Super Bowl and the NFC Championship.  The result of his first big draft day trade got us to 12-4. That's ok performance in my book.  It's what came after that was so terrible.

But his performance isn't even the point here.  He's our interim GM, and because he's never going to say one way or another how anything will work out, a tabloid website decides to say that he must mean he's going to be here for good, and people here have decided to lend them their clicks and be all freaked out over it.

Talk about CMC or something.  Please, PLEASE resurrect the Steve Wilkes stuff you did a while back--that was some quality content.  Don't be one of the alarmists, ok?   

[Jangler]

community college can do wonders if the student pays attention, 4 years to figure out finances sounds about right..

[NanuqoftheNorth]

They say 2 out of 3 ain't bad.

So, 3 out of 4 must be pretty good.

But 3 out of 10?

Mediocre at best.

 

[Snake]

On 8/3/2017 at 9:12 AM, Mr. Scot said:

His acknowledgement of it is.

It tells me that at the very least he's open to the possibility if Richardson wants it, and we know Richardson nearly always makes the wrong decision on these things.

If you wanna read more into it, then it's possible to believe the decision is already made and Marty is just being discreet.

The thing to watch will be if there's an actual GM search or they just go through the motions.

When you fire the best GM in history because he was running your organization right it doesn't really make you think good things. 

[Snake]

2 hours ago, Cyberjag said:

Did I say great?  He was ok.  In his first five years he assembled a roster that went to the Super Bowl and the NFC Championship.  The result of his first big draft day trade got us to 12-4. That's ok performance in my book.  It's what came after that was so terrible.

But his performance isn't even the point here.  He's our interim GM, and because he's never going to say one way or another how anything will work out, a tabloid website decides to say that he must mean he's going to be here for good, and people here have decided to lend them their clicks and be all freaked out over it.

Talk about CMC or something.  Please, PLEASE resurrect the Steve Wilkes stuff you did a while back--that was some quality content.  Don't be one of the alarmists, ok?   

You have very low standards obviously. 

[Daeavorn]

14 minutes ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

They say 2 out of 3 ain't bad.

So, 3 out of 4 must be pretty good.

But 3 out of 10?

Mediocre at best.

 

3 out of 10 is failure. No other way to put it.

[NanuqoftheNorth]

1 minute ago, Snake said:

You have very low standards obviously. 

The reward of low expectations... Marty Hurney.