Is our offense predictable or not?

[csx]

Every team has tendencies based off formation. What have y'all been watching all these years?

[rayzor]

play nice everyone.

[LinvilleGorge]

I appreciate 55's effort to actually do some digging and put forth an argument.

Honestly though, at the end of the day, we can all pour over situational stats and cherry pick them to fit our particular argument or...

We can just listen to an opposing defensive player who actually studied our offense under a very good DC and then in the aftermath of the euphoria of winning the SB let his guard down and was a little more open and honest than players usually are when talking about the other team.

 

[beastson]

4 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I appreciate 55's effort to actually do some digging and put forth an argument.

Honestly though, at the end of the day, we can all pour over situational stats and cherry pick them to fit our particular argument or...

We can just listen to an opposing defensive player who actually studied our offense under a very good DC and then in the aftermath of the euphoria of winning the SB let his guard down and was a little more open and honest than players usually are when talking about the other team.

 

Shula cost us a SB, then followed it up with a season where the offense couldn't adjust in the 2nd half and somehow still has a job.

[tondi]

7 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I appreciate 55's effort to actually do some digging and put forth an argument.

Honestly though, at the end of the day, we can all pour over situational stats and cherry pick them to fit our particular argument or...

We can just listen to an opposing defensive player who actually studied our offense under a very good DC and then in the aftermath of the euphoria of winning the SB let his guard down and was a little more open and honest than players usually are when talking about the other team.

 

Clearly just another Shula hater.  Nothing to see here.

[UpstatePanther]

4 hours ago, ecu88 said:

My football hatin wife can predict Shula's playcallings, that should tell you something.

Edit*

Beer given because it must suck to be married to someone who doesn’t like football lol sounded like you needed a drink

3 hours ago, Jangler said:

but Twixx is the sharing candy....

Idk about that. I will cut someone if they try to take one of my Twix bars

[panthers55]

4 hours ago, PandaPancake said:

The first play of the first game of the season was a carry by Stewart up the middle. I knew it was hopeless to change

Why would an offensive coordinator run on the first play of the game regardless of being predictable? Running plays get everyone involved in contact which tends to control the jitters you feel when you first get on the field. You establish your identity which is to run the ball. And hopefully you gain a few yards making it 2nd down and manageable.

Sometimes you do thinks for reasons whether they are predictable or not. Other teams come out passing which is a particular OCs bend. But it isn't a knock on Shula if we run up the middle for 2 yards on the first play of the game.

[Castavar]

Appreciate the effort, but I don't need advanced stats to know Shula is predictable and a bad OC. Just based on our formations, you can see what is coming a mile away. I literally call the majority of the plays correctly a game, so I can only imagine how easy it is for a DC and their players to gameplan for our offense. I admit, Shula laid out a BEAUTIFUL scheme in 2015. He tailor made it just for Cam and we blew up. HOWEVER, eventually teams get the blue print and you have to adjust, which Shula has yet to do.

[panthers55]

1 hour ago, tondi said:

Clearly just another Shula hater.  Nothing to see here.

This was in February of 2016 after we went 15-1 and we're in the Superbowl for these guys the first time. So it is 2 years old. How that relates to now is anyone's guess. This offense is very different from that offense and we learned a lesson that day.  There is no indication that anything said 2 seasons ago is remotely germaine to this week or year.

[panthers55]

2 minutes ago, Castavar said:

Appreciate the effort, but I don't need advanced stats to know Shula is predictable and a bad OC. Just based on our formations, you can see what is coming a mile away. I literally call the majority of the plays correctly a game, so I can only imagine how easy it is for a DC and their players to gameplan for our offense. I admit, Shula laid out a BEAUTIFUL scheme in 2015. He tailor made it just for Cam and we blew up. HOWEVER, eventually teams get the blue print and you have to adjust, which Shula has yet to do.

Classic example of don't confuse me with the facts since I already know the answers. Sorry but to be honest that is an incredibly ignorant way of thinking.

[panthers55]

Talk about being predictable. I told you at the beginning of this thread that there would be huddlers who pay no attention to any.new information and just come to bitch and whine with no facts to support them. Now you can see that even when the facts don't support them they ignore them and keep their same biased unsupported  views.  I guess it just supports the notion you can't fix stupid. And the problem with stupid folks is they don't know they are stupid 

[Kevin Greene]

3 hours ago, rayzor said:

play nice everyone.

I guess it's hard when there are so many ignorant and stupid posters on Teh Huddle. Or so I've read.

[Castavar]

1 minute ago, panthers55 said:

Classic example of don't confuse me with the facts since I already know the answers. Sorry but to be honest that is an incredibly ignorant way of thinking.

And you're blindly allowing statistics to solely do the thinking for you, which is also an incredibly ignorant way of thinking. Throughout Shula's ENTIRE career, his offenses have been ranked low and always sputter in the red zone. Everything said about him today existed back when he was with Alabama and the Bucs. I see a trend. You come on here and act all high and mighty just because you throw out statistics and think it tells the whole story and then condescend anybody who doesn't agree with you.

You literally have a defensive player come out and say just how predictable this offense is and how we don't change anything. You have Shula not even getting head coach considerations even though we went 15-1 in 2015 (which is somewhat unheard of). Yeah, I'm going to pay more attention to somebody who does this for a living and actually plays against our offense than a random dude who whines on a forum tbh.

[panthers55]

24 minutes ago, Castavar said:

And you're blindly allowing statistics to solely do the thinking for you, which is also an incredibly ignorant way of thinking. Throughout Shula's ENTIRE career, his offenses have been ranked low and always sputter in the red zone. Everything said about him today existed back when he was with Alabama and the Bucs. I see a trend. You come on here and act all high and mighty just because you throw out statistics and think it tells the whole story and then condescend anybody who doesn't agree with you.

You literally have a defensive player come out and say just how predictable this offense is and how we don't change anything. You have Shula not even getting head coach considerations even though we went 15-1 in 2015 (which is somewhat unheard of). Yeah, I'm going to pay more attention to somebody who does this for a living and actually plays against our offense than a random dude who whines on a forum tbh.

Stats aren't the answer but they inform you about the questions. So are we predictable? By the numbers we aren't. Do we run most times under center when we are in a power I formation? Yep. The point of that play is to get more of your guys in one spot and push the defense backwards and ram it down their throats.  If you look at the site I referenced you can also see if it works or not. So if normally our success rate is 44% and on this play we are at 60% maybe we run it predictable or not because it works.

And that defensive guy was talking about 1 game 2 years ago not last year or this year. So why would ancient history in one limited context have anything to do with a totally different situation 2 years later. Oh that's right because people never change and it goes along with what you already think. You just keep proving my point which is you whiners keep going regardless of whether you have a leg to stand on or not.