Has Newton been David Carr'd?

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, Cary Kollins said:

Jake also had a top five WR in Steve Smith. Cam doesn't have anything close to a Steve Smith to bail him out on prayer balls.

Newton had an MVP season with his top choice being Ted Ginn.

Also, as I recall, Delhomme's best statistical season may have been the one where Smith was injured.

[SCO96]

27 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I know more than one person has said he doesn't look like he's having fun anymore, except maybe right before games begin.

Some have also pointed to the fact that when he scored this week, he didn't give the football away. Granted, that could be situational, but I can't recall the last time that happened.

I'm at work and just finished seeing a client. We were discussing the Panthers and he said the exact same thing I cited in your post.

"If" this is the case, I hope Cam and the team can figure out what the problem stems from. Once a player loses his passion for game as physically and mentally challenging as pro football, his best days are behind him. 

[d-dave]

I don't think he's Carr'd beyond repair, but he's getting there.

Guys need to step up here.  That's my opinion.  OL needs to block better.  You can't let a DL free on 3rd down and have a free shot at Cam.  Everyone know, you go after his head and nothing happens.  Cam needs to make those easy throws.  WRs need to get open.  Shula needs to not send Devin Funchess on go routes...

Guys got to step up!

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, d-dave said:

I don't think he's Carr'd beyond repair, but he's getting there.

Guys need to step up here.  That's my opinion.  OL needs to block better.  You can't let a DL free on 3rd down and have a free shot at Cam.  Everyone know, you go after his head and nothing happens.  Cam needs to make those easy throws.  WRs need to get open.  Shula needs to not send Devin Funchess on go routes...

Guys got to step up!

And this is kind of where I'm at.

I don't buy that he's a lost cause, but if things continue as they are we may be wasting what could have been a brighter future.

[coralreefer_1]

I dont know. What I do think it that the patriots are not a team where any serious player has been all up in our system. The Buffalo and Saints*** game both have very inside sources to fill them in on what we like to do, and how we do it. Such is not the norm.

 

Im not sure and wont speculate TOO MUCH on that...but lets keep in mind all the info Buffolo had on us for very obvious reasons....and how much Klein and TD took with them to NO.

Not of it matters, but i will be happy to play a team that doesnt have the cliffs notes of our offense/defence

[top dawg]

Well, the question is certainly a valid one considering the way that Cam's trajectory has been headed since the Super Bowl. The thing is though, maybe it's just Cam's natural progression. He has never really been the best pocket passer. 

[Jon Snow]

3 minutes ago, coralreefer_1 said:

I dont know. What I do think it that the patriots are not a team where any serious player has been all up in our system. The Buffalo and Saints*** game both have very inside sources to fill them in on what we like to do, and how we do it. Such is not the norm.

 

Im not sure and wont speculate TOO MUCH on that...but lets keep in mind all the info Buffolo had on us for very obvious reasons....and how much Klein and TD took with them to NO.

Not of it matters, but i will be happy to play a team that doesnt have the cliffs notes of our offense/defence

My friend every team has the cliff notes on this offense.  They have had it since the 2ND Atlanta game in 2015.

[Mr. Scot]

6 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Well, the question is certainly a valid one considering the way that Cam's trajectory has been headed since the Super Bowl. The thing is though, maybe it's just Cam's natural progression. He has never really been the best pocket passer. 

You're the second or third person to say this, so I'll throw this question out to the general population.

If he's healthy, is Cam Newton an effective quarterback as a pocket passer only?

[*FreeFua*]

5 minutes ago, d-dave said:

I don't think he's Carr'd beyond repair, but he's getting there.

Guys need to step up here.  That's my opinion.  OL needs to block better.  You can't let a DL free on 3rd down and have a free shot at Cam.  Everyone know, you go after his head and nothing happens.  Cam needs to make those easy throws.  WRs need to get open.  Shula needs to not send Devin Funchess on go routes...

Guys got to step up!

 

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

And this is kind of where I'm at.

I don't buy that he's a lost cause, but if things continue as they are we may be wasting what could have been a brighter future.

Guys can only step up to the best of their ability and that's the problem. 

Rivera and Shula are way in over their heads with their jobs. Only in Charlotte are these two given the passes they are.

Then we have someone like Matt Kalil, he isn't going to be getting any better. What we see on Sundays is him "stepping up". 

So the next question is... with Olsen and Ryan Kalil down, Cam clearly not being healthy and isn't going to be getting any healthier playing Sundays, do you cut your losses this year for the sake of Cam's future and rest him?

I think if this Sunday goes anything like last Sunday, we may have to.

[thennek]

Cam has never been a great pocket passer yet because of age, hits, injuries and etc he is being forced to be a pocket passer.  I just don't think he's having any fun anymore. 

[Chairman Wow]

He certainly should not have been "Carr'd".

Newton has been sacked, on a percentage basis, almost exactly as much as Big Ben (7.1% career percentage). This high percentage is actually typical for QB's who believe they can "avoid the rush".

Meanwhile, Carr was sacked on 10.54% of his  career dropbacks, nearly 50% more than Newton.

[Jon Snow]

4 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

You're the second or third person to say this, so I'll throw this question out to the general population.

If he's healthy, is Cam Newton an effective quarterback as a pocket passer only?

He has shown he can be when he goes through his reads. The problem I see is they waited too long to make the transition from dual threat to mobile pocket passer.

  Will he reach the pro bowl on that alone?  Not from where I'm sitting.

[Khyber53]

Honestly, I don't think his heart has been in the game since the Superb Owl. And I don't mean afterwards, I mean right at the Superb Owl.

That season the team set records and Cam hit the pinnacle of any player's career with the MVP award and a trip to the Championship. There was a rapid rush in endorsement deals and no one could get enough of Cam. He had hit megastardom. And everything leading up into that game played into feeding that -- here was the new QB with the new QB-style coming in to take the torch from the old paragon of QB play.

And then the game began. Let's not rehash it, we know how it went down. And we know the post game interview stuff.

I think that season we had hit Cam's dream (heck, the dream of any kid that picks up a football and sees his future) and he rose to the very top of it. Nowhere in anyone's planning was what happens if he doesn't win, if he doesn't become the megastar and the greatest hero the sport has ever known. He wasn't just beaten but was dog whipped in front of the world, embarassed and then dragged out for the press before he could ever get himself together.

And then we meet Denver again to start 2016. I think he was still trying to get up from that beating and they just kicked him in the guts until he wouldn't get back up. And it has just been a long, grinding slog since then. There have been some sparks, a few highlights, but nothing like he once was. And I don't think that what is injured in him is something a surgeon, a doctor or a physical therapist can quite heal.

But he still has the money, he still has fame, he has endorsements and he still has a starting job where no one really dares to question the emperor's clothes. The only thing I don't think he has now that he once did is grit.

 

[gmonjimbo]

He is on the brink. There needs to be a change of scenery, either Cam goes or Rivera and Shula leave. The offense needed an overhaul, they brought in some new players, kept the same coaches, same issues for the past 18 months. Still have an ineffective special teams to note as well. I think the Panthers have a good to great defensive staff but bottom of the barrel when it comes to offense and special teams.