Has Newton been David Carr'd?

[TheRed]

Also, yo @Borat, do you have a  fan community of you're own or what? You spend countless hours lurking this board littering pie to anyone that has negative things to say about Newton.

If I spent this much time focusing on Matt Ryan I would expect someone to slap me in the face.

[grimesgoat]

6 minutes ago, TheRed said:

The man is two years removed from being MVP.

He's never been this inaccurate in his entire career. Inconsistent here and there yeah. I'm not disagreeing that it looks bad right now. But it only takes a very basic amount of common sense to realize there's more at play here than him just being really inaccurate.

It's clear there's a direct correlation between his current play and his recovery from the shoulder surgery.

Our medical staff has a pretty rough track record.

From a percentage basis, he's actually more accurate this year than last.  But his misses are just so wild and glaring.

Its interesting to compare his career (so far) with Randall Cunningham.  Not sure how old you are, but Cunningham was a phenomenon when he first entered the league as a dual threat QB.  His numbers when he was 24 years old to 27 are eerily similar to Cams in terms of completion percent, pass attempts, yards, TDs, and INTs.  Cunningham had more rushing years, but Cam had more rushing TDs.  Then when Cunningham was 28, he tore his ACL and missed the entire season.  He came back, but had only 3 seasons out of 9 where he started more than 6 games.

Cam can be great again.  Cunningham was all pro in 1998 at the age of 35.  Hopefully Cam can find his way.

[grimesgoat]

4 minutes ago, TheRed said:

Also, yo @Borat, do you have a  fan community of you're own or what? You spend countless hours lurking this board littering pie to anyone that has negative things to say about Newton.

If I spent this much time focusing on Matt Ryan I would expect someone to slap me in the face.

Don't chase away my pie dude.

[pantherclaw]

Panther fans better pray he isn't.

[SCO96]

 

1) Cam needs better pass protection from the Tackle spots to stay upright

2) A better play caller/Offensive coordinator.

3) Someone who will hold him accountable for his play on the field.

     a. Stress the importance of correct footwork

     b. Spend more time in the classroom studying opposing defenses

     c. Stress the importance of using checkdowns if plays breakdown

4) Still use his running ability when necessary.

 

Cam's a more physically talented player than Steve Young or Randall Cunningham. Imagine how good he could be if he had a Bill Walsh, Andy Reid, or Mike Holmgreen on his case everyday in practice. He has Rivera, Shula, and Dorsey. I hope he gets an opportunity to one day play for an offensive minded head coach.  I think he can get a lot better over the next several seasons but I don't think he'll ever reach his full potential with the current coaching staff. 

 

 

[Borat]

1 hour ago, TheRed said:

Also, yo @Borat, do you have a  fan community of you're own or what? You spend countless hours lurking this board littering pie to anyone that has negative things to say about Newton.

If I spent this much time focusing on Matt Ryan I would expect someone to slap me in the face.

Pressing the "pie" button does indeed take up basically my entire day, but it's a sacrifice I'm willing to make. Top priority of mine, actually. 

[Borat]

1 hour ago, TheRed said:

Cam is Cam. He's a warrior. He will be fine if we can protect him.

This logic of blaming Cam because our franchise has failed to find a permanent solution at LT the last 6 years is pathetic. But of course this is the Panthers fanbase we're talking about.

Conversely, the logic of blaming everybody but Cam for his struggles, then couching your extreme bias in ad lapidem, is what exactly? 

[grimesgoat]

2 minutes ago, Borat said:

Conversely, the logic of blaming everybody but Cam for his struggles, then couching your extreme bias in ad lapidem, is what exactly? 

Pie for ad lapidem.  I had to look it up. 

[TheRed]

8 minutes ago, Borat said:

Conversely, the logic of blaming everybody but Cam for his struggles, then couching your extreme bias in ad lapidem, is what exactly? 

We've all discussed his struggles so far this season, myself included. Nowhere have I entirely asbolved him of blame. I have however detailed all factors involved. You're here far too much to be this dense.

But insinuating he's David Carr 3 games into our season while it's clear the shoulder isn't 100% is where I call bullshit.

[JARROD]

4 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Basically, beaten into shellshock.

Yes or no, and why...

I'll buy that for a dollar. I do think it plays into some of the poor decision-making. His first few seasons you got nothing but love from teammates  that said he made great decisions. Jordan Gross raved over how well the adjustments were made at the line. 

Now all we talk about is how low his quarterback rating is, in the poor decisions

[Paa Langfart]

5 hours ago, brandon_87 said:

nobody to blame but DG and RR for not addressing the OLINE sooner

Cam has always held onto the ball too long when he could have thrown it away and not taken a hit.  His lack of awareness has also been a major problem.  I suppose those are  g man and Riveras fault as well ?

[Soul Rebel]

I noticed that when Cam tried his patented roll out when the pocket is collapsing, he usually evades and makes players miss before scampering out of harms way.  On Sunday, for the first time in awhile, when he turned his back to exit, there was a defender standing right there to crush him. Usually his athleticism gets him out of that with his double back move and at least gets him to the sidelines or out of the pocket. He turned his head and was greeted by a big ass defender that took him down.

Cam's athleticism is down and I think he is confused because what used to work, is not working. 

Back to the question at hand..... I don't think he's full-on David Carr yet, but I do think he's jumpy and not trusting anyone but himself right now (and maybe CMC). He's overthrowing, missing checkdown receivers and instead forcing the ball in where he wants it, and playing way too tight. 

It's hard when the OL is not helping and your MVP on the line is out injured. Take away his favorite receiving option and an OC that can't coach his way out of a lingerie bowl game, and we've got issues. 

Cam is smart enough to figure it out, but he needs to relax, get back to being Cam and give what the defense gives him. Rewatching games and REW/FF through plays, shows guys getting open often, and it's either the OL collapsing or Cam not looking off defenders and making poor reads.

I'd personally like to see more of the 12 personnel to help protect, more of a 'hurry up' offense to keep the defense on their heels and better usage of Curtis Samuel. CMC can kill a team with the ball in his hands, but he is also a great decoy to open up other options. 

[Borat]

30 minutes ago, Paa Langfart said:

Cam has always held onto the ball too long when he could have thrown it away and not taken a hit.  His lack of awareness has also been a major problem.  I suppose those are  gman and Rivera's fault as well ?

Absolutely -- anyone who says otherwise is just buying into "Running QB" stereotypes, obviously. 

[The Lobo]

1 hour ago, grimesgoat said:

Pie for ad lapidem.  I had to look it up. 

Pie for knowledge