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This fan base has fallen off a cliff when it comes to this Norv Turner hatred

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panthers55 Grand Master

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1 minute ago, Sam Mills Fan said:

Just who do you people want that's going to be significantly better? Norv Turner in 2018 won't be the greatest OC of all-time, but he'll *certainly* be better than Mike Shula. Some of you people need to get over yourselves. With Norv, we're going to run something similar to what we've been running, only a much better version of it coming from a smarter mind. It's an obvious upgrade and if you disagree, you're flat out stupid.

Some people in this fan base are coming off like entitled little brats akin to Tennessee Vols fans. 

I can see why folks think he isn't an upgrade. Forget about head coach experience since that is irrelevant to being an OC. You could easily argue that the Panthers  winning percentage and the complexity and creativity of our playbook is much better than Turner"s playbook or history.  So to say he will be an upgrade could be wishful thinking. As for writing him off before he is hired that is just as extreme in the other direction. Everyone needs to sit back and wait to see what happens. He might be great or not. Who knows. For that matter has he even been officially hired?

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Just now, panthers55 said:

I can see why folks think he isn't an upgrade. Forget about head coach experience since that is irrelevant to being an OC. You could easily argue that the Panthers  winning percentage and the complexity and creativity of our playbook is much better than Turner"s playbook or history.  So to say he will be an upgrade could be wishful thinking. As for writing him off before he is hired that is just as extreme in the other direction. Everyone needs to sit back and wait to see what happens. He might be great or not. Who knows. For that matter has he even been officially hired?

Okay if you want to throw that viewpoint out there like that, I would have no problem with it and I wouldn't have made this thread. It's the insane *vitriol* towards him by a bunch of loud mouths that I 100% don't understand.

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2 minutes ago, heel31ok said:

lol, this is how it will always be... there is never going to be complete agreement...winning changes everything, so does losing !

Losing changes everything for the better eventually for a competent organization who hasn't had a monstrosity of fug ups in the draft. Winning and having a historical season in which should have by all accounts been a SB win... changes things like winning the Superbowl every year is the standard. It's a great standard to have, and I wouldn't want it any other way. Superbowl or gtfo. 

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1 minute ago, Salisburysean98 said:

Losing changes everything for the better eventually for a competent organization who hasn't had a monstrosity of fug ups in the draft. Winning and having a historical season in which should have by all accounts been a SB win... changes things like winning the Superbowl every year is the standard. It's a great standard to have, and I wouldn't want it any other way. Superbowl or gtfo. 

lol...

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1 minute ago, Sam Mills Fan said:

Okay if you want to throw that viewpoint out there like that, I would have no problem with it and I wouldn't have made this thread. It's the insane *vitriol* towards him by a bunch of loud mouths that I 100% don't understand.

I have thought the same thing about all the vitriol that you among others said about Shula. I will support whoever we hire just like I did Shula and Wilks even thought I felt Shula was decent and Wilks struggled.  Now you know how I have felt and why I responded over the years the way I did.

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16 minutes ago, Sam Mills Fan said:

Just who do you people want that's going to be significantly better? Norv Turner in 2018 won't be the greatest OC of all-time, but he'll *certainly* be better than Mike Shula. Some of you people need to get over yourselves. With Norv, we're going to run something similar to what we've been running, only a much better version of it coming from a smarter mind. It's an obvious upgrade and if you disagree, you're flat out stupid.

Some people in this fan base are coming off like entitled little brats akin to Tennessee Vols fans. 

Why do we (Vols fans) have to be entitled brats?? :crying::crying:

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There's not a doubt in my mind that Ron will not be around after this extension is up and hopefully before.  Gettleman was going to let him hang himself with the Shula rope which he absolutely did and would have been fired for if we hadn't fuged that whole situation up.  Ron will live and (more likely) die by his own guys.  This will be another instance of that.  We should have fired Rivera years ago when we had the chance.  

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I think at the VERY least, Norv can atleast get our offense back to how it looked in 2015. In my opinion, 2015 was peak Shula, that was the BEST Shula will EVER be and at his 100% potential, I expect this offense under Norv to easily atleast be able to match 2015's offense which is fine by me.

 

to piggyback off that, I expect Norv to also be able to recognize when something simply is NOT working and make adjustments as necessary. Something Shula has never been able to do.

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