Choose a backup from the Vikings

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, KillerKat said:

How long is Brissett's contract with the Colts?

He's not a free agent till 2020.

If you're looking for someone mobile, Joe Webb's a free agent next season, and Tyrod Taylor might be let go.

[KillerKat]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

He's not a free agent till 2020.

If you're looking for someone mobile, Joe Webb's a free agent next season, and Tyrod Taylor might be let go.

Holy hell grab Taylor as soon as that happens. I've always wanted him as a backup.

[Cpt slay a ho]

They are all starter quality qbs so they are going to get paid this offseason, but if I had to choose, give me Keenum, I like bridgewater but that injury is a big ? 

[panthers55]

I dont think any of those 3 would sign early to be a backup.  They would agree to be  a backup if they dont win the starting job or if they are sitting at home as the season approaches and they are still not signed.  But can we really wait to sign our backup until then.  Then again, if they aren't signed by game 1 they might wait until a starter goes down and get plucked off the couch to be the backup/ starter.  

[peteywheatstraw]

2 hours ago, Saca312 said:

Bradford's actually a pretty top tier deep passer despite leading the league in short throws in 2016. He's the one that fits the bill the most when considering Norv's history.

Bradford and Keenum are questionable fits imo. Keenum looks far more comfortable in the offense he currently is, and Bridgewater never fit Norv's scheme at all.

Bradford should be a starter in the NFL, and if we get him as a backup it's highway robbery.

Agree with this.  Bradford has the talent to be a starter for a lot of teams, but never seems to make it through a full season.  Maybe an off chance he would want to hold a clip board so he doesn't have to take such a beating every year.  Probably not though.  Although he's already earned a poo ton of money so possibly.

[JARROD]

My vote is Brissett

[t96]

2 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

And who are picking in a good quarterback draft. But even if they don't take one in the draft, several of the teams you've named here wouldn't find Bridgewater or Bradford a significant upgrade, especially given that both have shown they're not durable enough to make it through a full season.

Now, I do believe one of the two could very well be a starter next year, but for the Vikings.  Zimmer doesn't seem to care for Keenum and may just be being stubborn because they gave up a first for Bradford.

Like I said, none of the three has ANY chance at all to start here unless Cam gets hurt and even then they go back to being backup when he's healthy again. 100% backup only here, nothing else. Do you honestly believe any of them would take that? There are at least 5 teams where they'd have a high chance of starting day 1 and at least 10 teams where they'd have a chance to win a QB competition or become starter without injuries. Only way any could start here is by injury. It's frankly a dumb conversation to have for us because none of the three of them right now is taking a 100% backup job which is what's here in Carolina. It's a massive waste of time to discuss this year. In the future? Maybe a different story. But ZERO chance this year, and that's not changing.

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, thomas96 said:

Like I said, none of the three has ANY chance at all to start here unless Cam gets hurt and even then they go back to being backup when he's healthy again. 100% backup only here, nothing else. Do you honestly believe any of them would take that? There are at least 5 teams where they'd have a high chance of starting day 1 and at least 10 teams where they'd have a chance to win a QB competition or become starter without injuries. Only way any could start here is by injury. It's frankly a dumb conversation to have for us because none of the three of them right now is taking a 100% backup job which is what's here in Carolina. It's a massive waste of time to discuss this year. In the future? Maybe a different story. But ZERO chance this year, and that's not changing.

They can want starter's jobs as much as they wish.  It doesn't mean anyone's going to offer them one.

Keenum is 30 and isn't really that good, hence why the Vikings aren't that high on keeping him.  Bradford is also 30 and can be good, but isn't that durable anymore.  Bridgewater never was that durable, and even now he's more potential than anything else.

It's certainly possible that teams other than the Vikings might look at these guys as potential starters, but the reality is they're not that good.  And the one who might be the best on field performer is as fragile as  glass.

 

[t96]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

They can want starter's jobs as much as they wish.  It doesn't mean anyone's going to offer them one.

Keenum is 30 and isn't really that good, hence why the Vikings aren't that high on keeping him.  Bradford is also 30 and can be good, but isn't that durable anymore.  Bridgewater never was that durable, and even now he's more potential than anything else.

It's certainly possible that teams other than the Vikings might look at these guys as potential starters, but the reality is they're not that good.  And the one who might be the best on field performer is as fragile as  glass.

 

I never said other teams will offer them a starting job. But if they look at other situations it's clear that for many other teams they'd actually have a shot to win the starting job, considering who the QBs for some of those teams are. In Carolina there is zero chance their performance could get them the starting job. Only injury to Cam. Nothing else. None of them would come here and we wouldn't be able to or willing to pay what they're looking for (and will get) anyways. It's a ridiculous discussion right now Scot, give it up.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, thomas96 said:

I never said other teams will offer them a starting job. But if they look at other situations it's clear that for many other teams they'd actually have a shot to win the starting job, considering who the QBs for some of those teams are. In Carolina there is zero chance their performance could get them the starting job. Only injury to Cam. Nothing else. None of them would come here and we wouldn't be able to or willing to pay what they're looking for (and will get) anyways. It's a ridiculous discussion right now Scot, give it up.

Having a coach they've worked with, and one who may vouch for them here, can make a difference in what we'd offered them.

As I've said though, my belief is that Zimmer will go back to Bradford starting, even if it's not the best option.  Bridgewater and Keenum?  Hard to say.  neither is really anything special but Keenum's playoff run may make him look better than he really is.

For our backup spot?  If I had my choice, I'd sign Josh McCown.  Matt Moore could be a decent option as well.  But the Vikings QBs other than Keenum have their past work with Turner working to their advantage here.  Hence, this thread.

What happens?  We'll see.

[Icege]

Teddy B or Joe Webb leggoooo

[outlaw4]

I couldn't trust Bradford to survive mop up duties in preseason. Even if Teddy somehow goes back to his old form by next season, he and Norv were a poor fit. Someone will pay Keenum to be a starter somewhere.

That said, it's time to move on from Derek Anderson so I'll take a third option.

 

[Mr. Scot]

Insiders look at the Vikings situation...
 

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Ask yourself this: irrespective of anything that happened in 2017, if the Vikings' braintrust, so ably guided by general manager Rick Spielman in all other aspects of the operation, believed that any among Case Keenum, Sam Bradford and Teddy Bridgewater has the ability to be the future under center, why did they allow them all to become free agents at the end of the season?

The Vikings have had exclusive negotiating rights with all three players for a full season now, and according to our sources, no move was ever made to extend any of them.

If Spielman believes that one or more of the three is capable of competing for and winning championships, wouldn’t he almost certainly have made an attempt to secure that player’s services for the foreseeable future?

 

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We are told by people familiar with the situation that Bradford is the guy the Vikes believe they could win consistently with, and that’s why they gave up a first-round draft choice to get him at the beginning of the 2016 season.

There was no panic from the Bridgewater injury. Few knew Bradford better than Shurmur, and the Vikings felt they knew enough about him to pay dearly to secure the position for the future, not to keep it warm for Bridgewater.

We’re told the Vikings still believe that to be the case — and make no mistake — that’s why he was elevated over Bridgewater to the backup role during the playoffs.

The problem today is that while the Vikings still believe Bradford could be the guy, they know there is just no way they can trust his knees enough to make that investment in him and wait for him to go down again.

 

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The facts around Bridgewater are that he is a fantastic young man who suffered a horrific injury and has made a heroic comeback that is impossible not to admire.

He is also an extremely average athlete and quarterback who showed little prior to the injury to suggest he was ever going to be anything more.

In 29 starts — 13 as a rookie in 2014 and all 16 games plus a wild-card game in 2015 —Bridgewater is an 86.3-rated passer with a pedestrian 7.2-yard average per pass and an awful 28:22 touchdown-interception ratio.

Yes, he is a product of the Vikings' conservative, run-first offense, but Bradford in 17 starts has a 23:5 TD-INT ratio and rating just north of 100, and Keenum is 22:7 and 98.3, respectively.

We understand Bridgewater’s numbers are from the start of his career while he was still just learning, but at the end of the day he is a game manager who is unlikely to put the team on his back in the way Bradford and Keenum have.

 

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So if Bridgewater isn’t the answer, and Bradford can’t be because of his health, what about Keenum?

He had 26 starts over four seasons with the Texans and the Rams, in which he compiled a passer rating in the 70s and a 24:20 TD-INT ratio.

Keenum was absolutely not the reason the Vikings got skunked by the Eagles Sunday, but it was clearly his three turnovers that got the ball rolling.

There are plenty of reasons to believe that Keenum is better than the player we saw his first four years in the league, and just as many to believe he is unlikely to reprise his magical 2017 campaign.

 

Vikings QB situation may not be as complicated as it seems

[jayflip]

On 1/23/2018 at 8:31 PM, Mr. Scot said:

Having a coach they've worked with, and one who may vouch for them here, can make a difference in what we'd offered them.

As I've said though, my belief is that Zimmer will go back to Bradford starting, even if it's not the best option.  Bridgewater and Keenum?  Hard to say.  neither is really anything special but Keenum's playoff run may make him look better than he really is.

For our backup spot?  If I had my choice, I'd sign Josh McCown.  Matt Moore could be a decent option as well.  But the Vikings QBs other than Keenum have their past work with Turner working to their advantage here.  Hence, this thread.

What happens?  We'll see.

I vote Matt Moore simply because I miss TRD