Panthers Will Begin Conducting GM Interviews This Week

[Rubi]

5 minutes ago, The Natural said:

Your argument was if it's not common it's bad,  correct? Therefore going by your "logic" it was a bad move. Don't move the goalposts once your own argument is used against you. Using a practice squad spot on a kicker isn't a big deal at all honesty. Does it concern you that much that he would be taking the spot of 12th string LB Joe McBlow?

You’re just putting your own spin on it using irrelevant situations that had nothing to do with keeping 2 kickers lol 

the point was teams don’t waste roster spots on multiple kickers. It’s occurred a small % over the last 20 years. 

It screams ineptitude 

[The Natural]

1 minute ago, Rubi said:

You’re just putting your own spin on it using irrelevant situations that had nothing to do with keeping 2 kickers lol 

the point was teams don’t waste roster spots on multiple kickers. It’s occurred a small % over the last 20 years. 

It screams ineptitude 

 Again, what's the percentage of teams rescinding franchise tags? If it's a small percentage that must be a sign of ineptitude as well, right? 

[Rubi]

3 minutes ago, The Natural said:

 Again, what's the percentage of teams rescinding franchise tags? If it's a small percentage that must be a sign of ineptitude as well, right? 

Sure ignore the context of that scenario all you want. A cornerback close to thirty wanting a league high contract at that position while the team was just exiting a terrible cap situation that the previous GM handcuffed the team for years with terrible contracts. And the guy’s agent was as unprofessional as it gets leading the player to fire said agent

Still has nothing to do with keeping 2 kickers after preseason. 

[Mr. Scot]

14 minutes ago, The Natural said:

 Again, what's the percentage of teams rescinding franchise tags? If it's a small percentage that must be a sign of ineptitude as well, right? 

The Eagles did it twice in the 2000s and they were doing fine. Seahawks also did it a few years back. The Dolphins removed the Transition tag from Olivier Vernon just two years ago.  Others have also done it before. 

Some teams endured long holdouts from franchised players that ended up having an impact on their seasons.  The Steelers and Seahawks are both facing possible holdouts from star players next season.

[carpanfan96]

2 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

You do remember all the talk about how incredibly close the locker room atmosphere was in 2015, right? And who was GM at the time?

That was after the release of Smith and the retirement of Gross. And no, there haven't been reports of huge locker room problems since then. And Beane and Cowden left for promotions, which happens with every team.

Again, you're making stuff up rather than going off the actual facts.

Not making things up, I posted an article earlier speaking to players, staff and coaches being put off by his approach and Beane leaving was kinda the final nail in the coffin because there wasn't a buffer for the players anymore. So I'm 100% positively absolutely not making things up, can tell you that for sure. Norman, then Olsen and Davis built his Coffin. Beane leaving just sealed it shut, he was never staying long term after that. 100% positive on that one, because with his approach and no assistant to buffer him he wouldn't have been tolerated very long. 

[NanuqoftheNorth]

8 minutes ago, carpanfan96 said:

I'm 100% positively absolutely not making things up, can tell you that for sure. Norman, then Olsen and Davis built his Coffin.

In Pittsburg, NY and Boston this is called part of the process of building championship football teams.  In Carolina it is called "hurt feelings" and is grounds for termination.

[Mr. Scot]

1 hour ago, carpanfan96 said:

Not making things up, I posted an article earlier speaking to players, staff and coaches being put off by his approach and Beane leaving was kinda the final nail in the coffin because there wasn't a buffer for the players anymore. So I'm 100% positively absolutely not making things up, can tell you that for sure. Norman, then Olsen and Davis built his Coffin. Beane leaving just sealed it shut, he was never staying long term after that. 100% positive on that one, because with his approach and no assistant to buffer him he wouldn't have been tolerated very long. 

Le'Veon Bell is one of the Steelers best players.  They spent most of last offseason in a huge pissing match with him over his contract, and it's set to go down again this year with Bell promising he'll hold out for the entire season if needed. They've had similar contentious discussions with one of their other best players, Antonio Brown. That's because the Steelers are known to be hard nosed negotiators who are more than willing let popular players walk rather than exceed what they believe to be their value. 

Earl Thomas is also looking for more money, and just like Bell he's also expressed willingness to sit out the entire season. Kam Chancellor did the same thing a little while back.  The Seahawks didn't agree to his demands and he ultimately caved. You don't hear him complaining now, though.

It was just a little over a year ago that the Chargers attempted to screw over top draft pick Joey Bosa with his rookie contract.  Bosa held out for quite a while in response.  Honestly, the Chargers are actually pretty known for being bastards and treating players like s--t, but players still sign there.  Philip Rivers career didn't get off to such a smooth start there either. He wound up holding out for a while too.

Like the Chargers, Cincinnati Bengals are known to be notoriously cheap bastards who have screwed over a lot of past players.  Still, seems pretty obvious players will still go there.  Cleveland too, though they're known more for failure than mistreatment.

The Giants threatened to remove their franchise tag from Jason Pierre Paul after his hand injury.  They'd have been perfectly within their rights given that he did something incredibly stupid.  They ended up patching things up but he cost himself some money. 

A few years back, Lance Briggs had a major contract dispute with the Bears, said he hated the Bears and was done with them and demanded a trade.  He later signed a deal and all was forgotten.

The Chiefs are talking about putting Tony Gonzalez in their Hall of Fame this year.  Of course, that ignores the fact that he dumped them for more money and what he perceived to be a better shot at a Super Bowl ring in Atlanta (oops).

Darrelle Revis had a similar issue with the Jets.  He was recently with the Chiefs but as more of a mentor than a player.  His career probably won't end well because he still seems to believes he's worth a good deal.  Nobody else does.

That includes New England, where Revis helped them win a Super Bowl.  So did Vince Wilfork, but the last time you saw him before he retired was in a Texans uniform. And then there's Chandler Jones who's currently a Cardinal because the Pats traded him away.  Afterward they traded for Kony Ealy (that didn't go so well). There are plenty of other names on New England's "treated like s--t after they gave their all" list too.  They generally don't have an issue with using players up and dumping them, often before they're used up (they subscribe to a "better too early than too late" idea).

To be fair though, the Patriots are currently paying James Harrison who was very unceremoniously let go from the Steelers after years of being one of their best players and returning to them after a brief affair with the Bengals, looking for a solid ending to his career.  Not only did they dump him, though.  They also said some highly uncomplimentary things about him afterward.  Harrison may wind up getting his happy ending though, but it won't be with the team he's most closely associated with.

Speaking of bad splits, where exactly is Adrian Peterson playing these days?  I've lost track.  The team that let him go this year didn't wind up going anywhere, did they?  Oh wait, he was technically dumped by two teams.  But hey, I'm sure neither of them had any success after being jerks to one of their best players.  That'd be wrong. 

And speaking of careers that didn't have fairy tale endings, how about Emmitt Smith playing for the Cardinals, Joe Montana being let go by the 49ers, his favorite receiver Jerry Rice winding up in a Raiders uniform (Seahawks too), Brett Favre playing for the division rival Vikings, Randall Cunningham also going to a division rival (Dallas), Ravens star Ed Reed being a Texan like Wilfork, and what on earth was Bills legend Bruce Smith doing in a Redskins uniform?  That's just not right.

Oh, almost forgot...Who was that quarterback we faced in our last Super Bowl?  Where'd he get his start?  I get the sense it wasn't Denver.

These guys were legends!  Many of them are Hall of Famers.  Didn't they deserve a happy ending with the team that drafted them?

And remind me, how did Reggie White, Jared Allen and Charles Tillman wind up finishing their careers in Carolina?  Shouldn't they have ridden off into the sunset with the teams that made them famous?  Those teams certainly wouldn't have parted with them over something as petty as money, right?

 

Right?

 

Or would they?

 

I'm not sure what fantasy, fairy tale, balloons, ice cream and unicorns world you've dreamed up where nobody but Dave Gettleman ever disagrees with players about what they're worth and nobody ever has unhappy splits with popular and beloved players. But here in the real world it happens all the time, and quite often to players that are way bigger stars than guys like Steve Smith, Josh Norman and Jordan Gross.

This is the NFL. Happy endings are actually pretty rare because most guys stick around just a little longer than they ought to.  And again, it is a business, a billion dollar business where cutthroat decisions are made, nice guys wind up getting screwed and a--holes end up winning big.

But hey, if you wanna believe that Gettleman is the only big meanie who ever refuses to give players whatever they feel like they deserve, you can do that.  It's relatively easy.

You just need to completely ignore all the examples I just gave you...and a few thousand more.

Your choice...

[carpanfan96]

23 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Le'Veon Bell is one of the Steelers best players.  They spent most of last offseason in a huge pissing match with him over his contract, and it's set to go down again this year with Bell promising he'll hold out for the entire season if needed. They've had similar contentious discussions with one of their other best players, Antonio Brown. That's because the Steelers are known to be hard nosed negotiators who are more than willing let popular players walk rather than exceed what they believe to be their value. 

Earl Thomas is also looking for more money, and just like Bell he's also expressed willingness to sit out the entire season. Kam Chancellor did the same thing a little while back.  The Seahawks didn't agree to his demands and he ultimately caved. You don't hear him complaining now, though.

It was just a little over a year ago that the Chargers attempted to screw over top draft pick Joey Bosa with his rookie contract.  Bosa held out for quite a while in response.  Honestly, the Chargers are actually pretty known for being bastards and treating players like s--t, but players still sign there.  Philip Rivers career didn't get off to such a smooth start there either. He wound up holding out for a while too.

Like the Chargers, Cincinnati Bengals are known to be notoriously cheap bastards who have screwed over a lot of past players.  Still, seems pretty obvious players will still go there.  Cleveland too, though they're known more for failure than mistreatment.

The Giants threatened to remove their franchise tag from Jason Pierre Paul after his hand injury.  They'd have been perfectly within their rights given that he did something incredibly stupid.  They ended up patching things up but he cost himself some money. 

A few years back, Lance Briggs had a major contract dispute with the Bears, said he hated the Bears and was done with them and demanded a trade.  He later signed a deal and all was forgotten.

The Chiefs are talking about putting Tony Gonzalez in their Hall of Fame this year.  Of course, that ignores the fact that he dumped them for more money and what he perceived to be a better shot at a Super Bowl ring in Atlanta (oops).

Darrelle Revis had a similar issue with the Jets.  He was recently with the Chiefs but as more of a mentor than a player.  His career probably won't end well because he still seems to believes he's worth a good deal.  Nobody else does.

That includes New England, where Revis helped them win a Super Bowl.  So did Vince Wilfork, but the last time you saw him before he retired was in a Texans uniform. And then there's Chandler Jones who's currently a Cardinal because the Pats traded him away.  Afterward they traded for Kony Ealy (that didn't go so well). There are plenty of other names on New England's "treated like s--t after they gave their all" list too.  They generally don't have an issue with using players up and dumping them, often before they're used up (they subscribe to a "better too early than too late" idea).

To be fair though, the Patriots are currently paying James Harrison who was very unceremoniously let go from the Steelers after years of being one of their best players and returning to them after a brief affair with the Bengals, looking for a solid ending to his career.  Not only did they dump him, though.  They also said some highly uncomplimentary things about him afterward.  Harrison may wind up getting his happy ending though, but it won't be with the team he's most closely associated with.

Speaking of bad splits, where exactly is Adrian Peterson playing these days?  I've lost track.  The team that let him go this year didn't wind up going anywhere, did they?  Oh wait, he was technically dumped by two teams.  But hey, I'm sure neither of them had any success after being jerks to one of their best players.  That'd be wrong. 

And speaking of careers that didn't have fairy tale endings, how about Emmitt Smith playing for the Cardinals, Joe Montana being let go by the 49ers, his favorite receiver Jerry Rice winding up in a Raiders uniform (Seahawks too), Brett Favre playing for the division rival Vikings, Randall Cunningham also going to a division rival (Dallas), Ravens star Ed Reed being a Texan like Wilfork, and what on earth was Bills legend Bruce Smith doing in a Redskins uniform?  That's just not right.

Oh, almost forgot...Who was that quarterback we faced in our last Super Bowl?  Where'd he get his start?  I get the sense it wasn't Denver.

These guys were legends!  Many of them are Hall of Famers.  Didn't they deserve a happy ending with the team that drafted them?

And remind me, how did Reggie White, Jared Allen and Charles Tillman wind up finishing their careers in Carolina?  Shouldn't they have ridden off into the sunset with the teams that made them famous?  Those teams certainly wouldn't have parted with them over something as petty as money, right?

 

Right?

 

Or would they?

 

I'm not sure what fantasy, fairy tale, balloons, ice cream and unicorns world you've dreamed up where nobody but Dave Gettleman ever disagrees with players about what they're worth and nobody ever has unhappy splits with popular and beloved players. But here in the real world it happens all the time, and quite often to players that are way bigger stars than guys like Steve Smith, Josh Norman and Jordan Gross.

This is the NFL. Happy endings are actually pretty rare because most guys stick around just a little longer than they ought to.  And again, it is a business, a billion dollar business where cutthroat decisions are made, nice guys wind up getting screwed and a--holes end up winning big.

But hey, if you wanna believe that Gettleman is the only big meanie who ever refuses to give players whatever they feel like they deserve, you can do that.  It's relatively easy.

You just need to completely ignore all the examples I just gave you...and a few thousand more.

Your choice...

Not saying it's right or wrong, just telling you that i wasn't making up why he was actually let go. It was a combination of factors that I've posted a 100 times in this thread but that fact remains.

He was let go because his gruff attitude and demeanor towards coach's, players and staff had started to create rifts in the building. Telling Beason he faked an injury, what he said to Williams and no one showing for his Mothers funeral, him cutting Tolbert and telling him to his face it's because his skills had eroded, the way he spoke to Smith's agent and cut him, the way he spoke with both of Norman's agents. The way he spoke to gross to get him to restructure. Gross even stated when you got here I didn't like you. 

His handling of Thomas Davis and Greg Olsen. 

 

Not saying he was wrong or right, but that's what's got him fired. 

[Mr. Scot]

8 minutes ago, carpanfan96 said:

Not saying it's right or wrong, just telling you that i wasn't making up why he was actually let go. It was a combination of factors that I've posted a 100 times in this thread but that fact remains.

He was let go because his gruff attitude and demeanor towards coach's, players and staff had started to create rifts in the building. Telling Beason he faked an injury, what he said to Williams and no one showing for his Mothers funeral, him cutting Tolbert and telling him to his face it's because his skills had eroded, the way he spoke to Smith's agent and cut him, the way he spoke with both of Norman's agents. The way he spoke to gross to get him to restructure. Gross even stated when you got here I didn't like you. 

His handling of Thomas Davis and Greg Olsen. 

 

Not saying he was wrong or right, but that's what's got him fired. 

But nobody else does that, right?

Certainly nobody on any successful teams, right?

Jerry Richardson is a dumbass, and firing an NFL GM who was good at his job for being gruff with people is an incredibly stupid ass thing to do.  But again, we know that Richardson isn't primarily about winning, so it's no shock he would pull a stunt this ignorant.

Meanwhile, around the rest of the league, successful teams aren't worried about whether they hurt somebody's feelings while they're doing what they believe is best to help their team win championships.  That's why their leaders (Gettleman included) have Super Bowl rings that they won as front office executives and Jerry Richardson never will.

[top dawg]

Put Gantt in the Everybody-knows-Hurney's-getting-the-job group. 

"Just as the Raiders did with Jon Gruden, the Panthers effectively know what they’re going to do before they do it. The difference is, nobody there is crass enough to say it out loud, the way Raiders owner Mark Davis did when he admitted he reached an agreement with Gruden before firing Jack Del Rio."

__

"But make no mistake, Panthers chief operating officer Tina Becker is expected to extend Hurney’s deal beyond its current expiration in June, the same way she did for coach Ron Rivera (and new defensive coordinator Eric Washington).It doesn’t equate to long-term security since the team’s for sale and a new owner can do whatever he or she pleases, but Becker is going to hand over the keys to a fully staffed football operation when the deal goes down."

 

Humph! 

 

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/01/29/rooney-rule-getting-another-workout-in-carolina/

[Jon Snow]

13 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Put Gantt in the Everybody-knows-Hurney's-getting-the-job group. 

"Just as the Raiders did with Jon Gruden, the Panthers effectively know what they’re going to do before they do it. The difference is, nobody there is crass enough to say it out loud, the way Raiders owner Mark Davis did when he admitted he reached an agreement with Gruden before firing Jack Del Rio."

__

"But make no mistake, Panthers chief operating officer Tina Becker is expected to extend Hurney’s deal beyond its current expiration in June, the same way she did for coach Ron Rivera (and new defensive coordinator Eric Washington).It doesn’t equate to long-term security since the team’s for sale and a new owner can do whatever he or she pleases, but Becker is going to hand over the keys to a fully staffed football operation when the deal goes down."

 

Humph! 

 

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/01/29/rooney-rule-getting-another-workout-in-carolina/

The sooner JR is out of the picture the better.  I'm starting to hate that man.

[Mr. Scot]

Everybody that I've seen make a comment on this on Twitter, PFT or just about any other source knows this is a sham.

What's especially hateful about it is that Jimmy Raye, Lake Dawson and Ryan Cowden are all very qualified candidates, but the dumbasses in charge are going to make them dance before they hand it over two Jerry Richardson's stooge.

If new ownership actually has a clue, we'll be looking for a GM again very shortly. I'd be happy to have any of the three current candidates back again, if they haven't been offended by what's about to happen (a real, and unfortunate possibility).

To tell the truth, if the Fritz Pollard Alliance were to make a huge stink about this, that wouldn't bother me at all.

[TheSpecialJuan]

36 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Put Gantt in the Everybody-knows-Hurney's-getting-the-job group. 

"Just as the Raiders did with Jon Gruden, the Panthers effectively know what they’re going to do before they do it. The difference is, nobody there is crass enough to say it out loud, the way Raiders owner Mark Davis did when he admitted he reached an agreement with Gruden before firing Jack Del Rio."

__

"But make no mistake, Panthers chief operating officer Tina Becker is expected to extend Hurney’s deal beyond its current expiration in June, the same way she did for coach Ron Rivera (and new defensive coordinator Eric Washington).It doesn’t equate to long-term security since the team’s for sale and a new owner can do whatever he or she pleases, but Becker is going to hand over the keys to a fully staffed football operation when the deal goes down."

 

Humph! 

 

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/01/29/rooney-rule-getting-another-workout-in-carolina/

ah crap 

[Jon Snow]

10 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Everybody that I've seen make a comment on this on Twitter, PFT or just about any other source knows this is a sham.

What's especially hateful about it is that Jimmy Raye, Lake Dawson and Ryan Cowden are all very qualified candidates, but the dumbasses in charge are going to make them dance before they hand it over two Jerry Richardson's stooge.

If new ownership actually has a clue, we'll be looking for a GM again very shortly. I'd be happy to have any of the three current candidates back again, if they haven't been offended by what's about to happen (a real, and unfortunate possibility).

To tell the truth, if the Fritz Pollard Alliance were to make a huge stink about this, that wouldn't bother me at all.

I would laugh so damn hard if this blew up in JR's face. 

You know, I was content to just say thank you to JR for giving us a team to cheer for and leave it at that as he quietly faded into the sunset.  Now, I hope the bastard goes out the disgrace he most certainly is for all the world to see.  I hope the media crucifies him over this and anything else they can dig up.

fug him and his cronies.