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Giants hire Mike Shula as OC

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58 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

That's all on Shula though. If your opponent knows what's coming you're at a massive disadvantage. As far ad Remmers goes, evetyone knee speed rushers were his weakness and Von Miller is the best in the business. For Shula not to do something to help him out was setting the guy up to fail. Beasley owning him a few weeks prior should've been all the proof Shula needed to know he had to give Remmers help against Miller and he had two weeks to draw it up. In the game, it's maddening that Shula never did anything to counter Denver's blue dog blitzing that they used to nullify his extra blockers. Screens and quick slants. Honestly, it's offensive football 101.

That's why I wouldn't absolve Shula for his part.  However, you can't deny that players did not execute the same as they had all year.  There were many opportunities for the team to make plays, but players dropped passes, fumbled the ball, missed open receivers, etc.  So while Shula was a part of the problem, he most certainly wasn't the reason.  And quite honestly, I believe we had the talent to beat the Broncos whether they knew what was coming or not.  We just had too many guys make uncharacteristic mistakes.

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Giants beat reporter Ralph Vacchiano has confirmed Shula's actual duties (link)

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With the Giants, Shula will not be calling plays - Shurmur has said he prefers to that himself - but he'll be running the offense during the week, and helping to put together game plans. He will also be charged with developing the eventual replacement for 37-year-old quarterback Eli Manning, whether that's Davis Webb, or a quarterback the Giants take with the No. 2 overall pick in the draft.

So yeah. No play calling. No play design.  That confirms what we'd heard earlier.

Shula's basically a QB coach who'll run the offense during practice. Shurmur will run it himself on game day.

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1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

That's all on Shula though. If your opponent knows what's coming you're at a massive disadvantage. As far ad Remmers goes, evetyone knee speed rushers were his weakness and Von Miller is the best in the business. For Shula not to do something to help him out was setting the guy up to fail. Beasley owning him a few weeks prior should've been all the proof Shula needed to know he had to give Remmers help against Miller and he had two weeks to draw it up. In the game, it's maddening that Shula never did anything to counter Denver's blue dog blitzing that they used to nullify his extra blockers. Screens and quick slants. Honestly, it's offensive football 101.

Ok football 101 do you use your fullback (Tolbert) whom is notorious for whiffing blocks and on top of that  has poor vision for reading defenses to basically  hold Remmers hand or do you use him at halfback for an injured JStew?

with that said JStew injury in Superbowl L was the straw that that broke the camel's back my friend because you nullify those blue dog blitzes with your RBs

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3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Giants beat reporter Ralph Vacchiano has confirmed Shula's actual duties (link)

So yeah. No play calling. No play design.  That confirms what we'd heard earlier.

Shula's basically a QB coach who'll run the offense during practice. Shurmur will run it himself on game day.

Serious question did Goebbels work this hard on Hitler's PR??

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14 minutes ago, bandu said:

Ok football 101 do you use your fullback (Tolbert) whom is notorious for whiffing blocks and on top of that  has poor vision for reading defenses to basically  hold Remmers hand or do you use him at halfback for an injured JStew?

with that said JStew injury in Superbowl L was the straw that that broke the camel's back my friend because you nullify those blue dog blitzes with your RBs

Honestly, I think we could've done it primarily with play calling. Call some screens and quick slants to get the ball out quicker and then you don't necessarily have to help out Remmers on Miller. You gotta keep the defense off balance. 

I'm honestly not sure how much Stew's injury hurt us. He ran the ball 12 times for 29 yards (2.4ypc). One of those runs was for 12 yards, so that means the other 11 went for 17 (0.65ypc). He was by far our least effective runner in that game. Cam had 6 carries for 45 yards (7.5ypc), Fozzy had 4 for 26 (6.5ypc), and Tolbert had 5 for 18 (3.6ypc).

It was probably Philly Brown's injury that hurt us the worst. He was actually our leading receiver in the game when he went down.

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1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Honestly, I think we could've done it primarily with play calling. Call some screens and quick slants to get the ball out quicker and then you don't necessarily have to help out Remmers on Miller. You gotta keep the defense off balance. 

I'm honestly not sure how much Stew's injury hurt us. He ran the ball 12 times for 29 yards (2.4ypc). One of those runs was for 12 yards, so that means the other 11 went for 17 (0.65ypc). He was by far our least effective runner in that game. Cam had 6 carries for 45 yards (7.5ypc), Fozzy had 4 for 26 (6.5ypc), and Tolbert had 5 for 18 (3.6ypc).

Problem with that is when they tried Tolbert fumbled.. I really don't blame Shula for the superbowl.. Philly got hurt no WR could get open against that secondary nobody on the line could block for more than 2 sec.. Really the game plan was off.. We should have played a field position game and waited for Manning to make a mistake.. Instead they did that to us..

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22 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Giants beat reporter Ralph Vacchiano has confirmed Shula's actual duties (link)

So yeah. No play calling. No play design.  That confirms what we'd heard earlier.

Shula's basically a QB coach who'll run the offense during practice. Shurmur will run it himself on game day.

It was expected.

I interpret that more as Shula does have some input to play design, but Shurmur will of course have the final say and ultimate play-caller.

It's not that bad of a situation in all honesty. I think Shula does have some creative play designs. He just needs someone more experienced to peer review them and understand when to call which and what play, which I believe Shurmur can and will do.

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6 minutes ago, bull123 said:

I do blame Shula...maybe a few adjustments and we could have blocked Miller and avoided those turnovers

I blame the Head coach for not initiating adjustments.. They should have change course at half time and went full ground attack until you had the edge in field position or caused a manning To..

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