Simple Solution: hire Lake Dawson as Assistant GM

[stankowalski]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

We already know from inside reports that the scouting staff is constantly having to talk Marty Hurney out of doing something stupid. Why not take the pressure off of them and put that job in the hands of one man?

If the Panthers were to make Lake Dawson the assistant GM, then they would gain the benefit of all his knowledge and experience while still allowing Jerry Richardson to hang on to his Golden Calf. The team hasn't had an Assistant GM since Brandon Beane left for the Bills so there's no one to replace, and it's a position we've had open before.

Is it the job he interviewed for? No, but it's still a step up from his current position. It also puts him in place to easily take the permanent job if the next owner does as most suspect he will and fires Hurney. Dawson would have a head start and the team wouldn't have to bother with interviewing other candidates.

Would Hurney feel threatened? Maybe, but honestly who gives a rat's ass? He's lousy at his job so he probably should feel threatened.

Outside of the fact that it might make Marty Hurney feel nervous or inferior, does anyone have a good argument why this shouldn't happen?

The problem I have with posts like this is that you're spinning hyperbole without much context.  Give some context if you believe in what you're saying and want to sway the undecided, like me.  I don't think Hurney was either great or awful the last time he was here.  He had some solid draft picks and some head scratchers...which most GM's do by the way.  His problem to me was managing the cap.  If he can somehow improve that aspect of being a GM then I think he'll do ok. 

[TheRed]

Barely a month ago you were telling me I was obsessed with Gettleman, and here you are every hour on the hour ranting away about Marty Hurney.

Take a break dude.

[TheSpecialJuan]

I'd love it, but it makes too much sense so it's definitely not happening. 

[Mr. Scot]

26 minutes ago, stankowalski said:

The problem I have with posts like this is that you're spinning hyperbole without much context.  Give some context if you believe in what you're saying and want to sway the undecided, like me.  I don't think Hurney was either great or awful the last time he was here.  He had some solid draft picks and some head scratchers...which most GM's do by the way.  His problem to me was managing the cap.  If he can somehow improve that aspect of being a GM then I think he'll do ok. 

Context for the behind the scenes stories are found in the following posts...

Like I said, Hurney was actually worse than we even knew. Had people not been able to talk him out of some of the things he wanted to do, who knows what would have happened?

[bababoey]

Just a question for Mr. Scot or anyone that would know about this.  I know if a coach is under contract the team can and sometimes does, block him from making a lateral move.  OL coach from one team to OL coach to another team, even if the team puts in some additional title like run game coordinator.  Would Dawson or Jimmy Ray or any of the candidates  coming here to be the Ass. GM be considered a lateral move?  And if so, do teams have the ability to stop front office lateral moves like they do coaches?  Assuming everyone is under contract.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, bababoey said:

Just a question for Mr. Scot or anyone that would know about this.  I know if a coach is under contract the team can and sometimes does, block him from making a lateral move.  OL coach from one team to OL coach to another team, even if the team puts in some additional title like run game coordinator.  Would Dawson or Jimmy Ray or any of the candidates  coming here to be the Ass. GM be considered a lateral move?  And if so, do teams have the ability to stop front office lateral moves like they do coaches?  Assuming everyone is under contract.

It'd be a lateral move for Raye. The Texans allowed him to interview but that was for the GM position. Unclear how they'd feel about him taking the same position with another team. Most teams would say no, and the Texans have had a little bit of upheaval with the GM spot recently, so who knows?

For both Dawson and Mayhew, Assistant GM would be a promotion. And while it's possible the 49ers might block such a move, Dawson's current boss is Brandon Beane. Dawson has described Beane as being supportive of his interviewing here, so I think it's less likely that Beane would block him from taking this job, even if it's not the one he originally interviewed for.

[The Natural]

7 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Context for the behind the scenes stories are found in the following posts...

Like I said, Hurney was actually worse than we even knew. Had people not been able to talk him out of some of the things he wanted to do, who knows what would have happened?

I have a source telling me the icing on the cake that lead to the fallout between Ron and Dave and eventually his "firing" was his unwavering loyalty to Mike Shula. Obviously tensions were already present due to the  botched handling of the Josh Norman situation and the subsequent draft. 

Rivera wanted him gone after the disappointing 2016 season. Of course publicly he wasn't going to say it but behind closed doors he'd "had enough". Dave on the other hand wasn't so keen on changing things up. Afterall, we were only a season removed from a SB appearance. Dave had the mindset that we were only another "player or two away" from seeing Shula's system really blossom into a juggernaut. 

Eventually tensions boiled over to the point Ron presented Richardson with a "It's me or him" ultimatum. Jerry called a meeting with Dave in a last ditch effort to smooth things over. Long story short Gettleman refused to budge on the issue and immediately resigned from his position. Jerry being Jerry wanted the story coming out to be that he had been fired (you know how his ego is) and now here we are. 

Shula would have been relieved of his duties at the same time Gettleman was but Norv had informed Ron that he wasn't quite ready to get back into it but would definitely be ready at the conclusion of the 2017 season. Make no mistake about it, the Norv hiring was a year in the making. 

Initially I was hesitant to believe it but after hearing the stories coming out of New York about how Shula is "one of Gettlemans guys" I've changed my tune. I hate what a mess he left this team in and you really have to question his judgment after this. But on a personal level you have to be happy for him that he got his guy back. 

[Krovvy]

2 hours ago, stankowalski said:

The problem I have with posts like this is that you're spinning hyperbole without much context.  Give some context if you believe in what you're saying and want to sway the undecided, like me.  I don't think Hurney was either great or awful the last time he was here.  He had some solid draft picks and some head scratchers...which most GM's do by the way.  His problem to me was managing the cap.  If he can somehow improve that aspect of being a GM then I think he'll do ok. 

I think he specifically made this thread to drive his narrative that Hurney had to be held in check during the draft because of a penchant to trade up. This information coming from two posters on this forum, and nowhere else.

It's kind of funny considering Dave Gettleman ensured the Panthers had the fewest picks in the league during his tenure because of his obvious penchant to trade up, which he did in every draft.

[electro's horse]

more simple solution:

put marty hurney against a wall

[Mr. Scot]

34 minutes ago, Krovvy said:

I think he specifically made this thread to drive his narrative that Hurney had to be held in check during the draft because of a penchant to trade up. This information coming from two posters on this forum, and nowhere else.

It's kind of funny considering Dave Gettleman ensured the Panthers had the fewest picks in the league during his tenure because of his obvious penchant to trade up, which he did in every draft.

I don't care whether he trades up, trades down, trades left or trades right as long as he chooses a good player. More often that not, he doesn't.

And as one of our sources confirmed with our former assistant GM, had Marty gotten his way, Cam Newton would have been playing somewhere else.

[run-run-pass-punt]

I think that would be a great option, although honestly I'm hoping (visionary and progressive) new ownership comes in and does their own thing, leaving Richardson remnants in the rear-view.

[Mr. Scot]

10 minutes ago, run-run-pass-punt said:

I think that would be a great option, although honestly I'm hoping (visionary and progressive) new ownership comes in and does their own thing, leaving Richardson remnants in the rear-view.

Guy who used to work there has said that there are so many people in the building working jobs that they're not qualified for that if someone who knows what they're doing actually takes control, a lot of people are going to be unemployed.

Richardson was well known to promote as a reward for loyalty. Whether you actually had any ability or aptitude to do what he was promoting you to was irrelevant.

[stankowalski]

2 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Context for the behind the scenes stories are found in the following posts...

Like I said, Hurney was actually worse than we even knew. Had people not been able to talk him out of some of the things he wanted to do, who knows what would have happened?

Ok from what I've read there, which seems to me to be basic water cooler talk, is that Hurney had some ideas that weren't good and people had to talk him out of it.  Let's say I choose to believe that he did want to trade up to get Clausen, which obviously would have been one of the worst draft moves I could imagine.  He didn't.  Whether someone had to talk him out of it or not is irrelevant to me.  In fact I am somewhat glad to hear that he isn't one of those guys that doesn't take input and just does what he wants.

In any case, as I've stated before the only real problem I had with Hurney was the mismanagement of the cap and crazy contracts.  If he does the same thing then this will be a terrible hire.  If he does learn from his past mistakes, as people do believe it or not, then he might actually turn into a good GM.  

[mc52beast]

It’s very rare that you see the owner of a company(NFL team) fire a person for basically gross negligence then hire the same person back and give them their old job back on a silver platter.

Can only think that JR is doing this to show his f’d up loyalty and knowing that new ownership will dump him.