Upsides and downsides of new ownership candidates

[Mr. Scot]

A look at the hopes (and fears) that fans  have expressed and associated with each of our potential new owners...

 

Ben Navarro

Pro: From the area, expectations are he's the least likely to ever want to move the team, father was a football coach, considered to be an Innovative thinker, much younger than Jerry Richardson, seems to want the team pretty badly

Con: The league doesn't seem to have a very high opinion of him, no experience with the inner workings of an NFL team, might be prone to leave things in place rather than overhaul them

 

Alan Kestenbaum

Pro: has a good reputation as a businessman, generally well spoken of, no real indication that he would want to move the team

Con: huge unknown, like Navarro, no experience in the NFL, fair or not people fear his Canadian ties would ultimately lead to a relocation attempt

 

David Tepper

Pro: The only candidate who's actually seen the inner workings of an NFL team (and a good one), Steelers ownership would have set a fine example, could probably bring good people over from the Steelers front office, has loads of money to invest in the team beyond just buying it, ultra competitive and would likely go out of his way to try and build a winner

Con: Personality and passed business profile would seem to indicate "hands on" ownership style, can be a colossal a--hole, has shown ability to be very vindictive, lots of questions about just how badly he really wants to own the Panthers, definite impression Little League wants him to own the team more than he actually wants it

 

Which of these ideas do you find reasonable, or not so reasonable?

What are your pros and cons for our possible new ownership options?

Which bidder do you expect to win? Which one do you want to win?

[Mr. Scot]

FYI: I haven't included other possibilities like Jim Goodnight, but anyone that wants to throw him or someone else that's been mentioned into the discussion can certainly do so.

[Adb6368]

If all things above are true, Navarro seems to be best-case scenario

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, Adb6368 said:

If all things above are true, Navarro seems to be best-case scenario

There are some things we know, but the vast majority of what we have right now on each of the options is speculation.

That said, it's a discussion board. Hence... discussion.

[Adb6368]

9 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

There are some things we know, but the vast majority of what we have right now on each of the options is speculation.

That said, it's a discussion board. Hence... discussion.

I don't think a massive day 1 shake-up would be good for anybody. The best case scenario is a guy like Navarro comes in and learns the ropes year 1 and let's the people in place do their job. Then, if we don't reach the Super Bowl (let alone win it), we replace Hurney with whomever he sees fit. Knowing that Navarro's in the debt collection business, I imagine a guy that looks like this:

[Mr. Scot]

16 minutes ago, Adb6368 said:

I don't think a massive day 1 shake-up would be good for anybody. The best case scenario is a guy like Navarro comes in and learns the ropes year 1 and let's the people in place do their job. Then, if we don't reach the Super Bowl (let alone win it), we replace Hurney with whomever he sees fit. 

If either Navarro or Kestenbaum end up owning the team, I hope to very quickly hear the word "consultant".

Neither has any experience with running a successful NFL front office. Bring in someone who does, let them evaluate the inner workings and make decisions based on their knowledge and recommendations.

With Tepper, the consultant route is also a possibility but I'd expect him to just go ahead and try to pull a good candidate from the Steelers front office. Omar Khan is an option there.

Possible consultants? Would love to see Joe Gibbs get that call. Other options include Ernie Accorsi, Charley Casserly and Ron Wolf.

[trueblade]

13 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

David Tepper

Pro: The only candidate who's actually seen the inner workings of an NFL team (and a good one), Steelers ownership would have set a fine example, could probably bring good people over from the Steelers front office, has loads of money to invest in the team beyond just buying it, ultra competitive and would likely go out of his way to try and build a winner

 

All of these same things could have and were probably said of Jimmy Haslam before he bought the Browns. It didn't exactly translate to success.

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Which one do you want to win?

#TeamNavarro  I actually wouldn't be opposed to moving to the team out of Charlotte as long as it stayed in the Carolinas. The tri-county area (Berkeley, Charleston and Dorchester) is only a little bit smaller than Charlotte (~700k versus ~820k).

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, trueblade said:

All of these same things could have and were probably said of Jimmy Haslam before he bought the Browns. It didn't exactly translate to success.

#TeamNavarro  #charlestonStrong. I actually wouldn't be opposed to moving to the team out of Charlotte as long as it stayed in the Carolinas. The tri-county area (Berkeley, Charleston and Dorchester) is only a little bit smaller than Charlotte (~700k versus ~820k).

I don't really see moving the team as a realistic option.

New stadium? Maybe.

[Moo Daeng]

On a tangent....has any new owner moved a team? Seems it's always the long standing ones who do. While we are on the topic of anyone who purchases a team wants to move it to their hometown or home of the most recent steel company their private equity firm invested in.

[chknwing]

There really doesn't seem to be any new info.  Forum is dry as a desert right now.  In desperate need of something new to talk about.  Need @Jeremy Igo to dig us up some tidbit to tide us all over til the draft.

[MechaZain]

Relocating to a new city is a non-issue that's being overblown. London is the only market that is a potential upgrade over the Carolinas and an expansion team there makes more sense in every way. It would be a colossal waste to purchase and then uproot a successful franchise.

My big concern, especially with the local guys, is the fascination with building a new stadium. BoA is a fine stadium in a prime location and I hate the idea of giving that up for some farmland on the border.

 

[Davidson Deac II]

23 minutes ago, trueblade said:

All of these same things could have and were probably said of Jimmy Haslam before he bought the Browns. It didn't exactly translate to success.

#TeamNavarro  #charlestonStrong. I actually wouldn't be opposed to moving to the team out of Charlotte as long as it stayed in the Carolinas. The tri-county area (Berkeley, Charleston and Dorchester) is only a little bit smaller than Charlotte (~700k versus ~820k).

They aren't moving the team to Charleston.

 

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The Charlotte–Concord–Gastonia Metropolitan Statistical Area (MSA) is defined as seven counties in North Carolina and three counties in South Carolina. The population of the MSA was 2,474,314 according to 2016 Census estimates. Charlotte is the 17th largest city and 22nd largest metro area in the United States. Charlotte is the 2nd largest city in the Southeast.

 

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The Charleston metropolitan area is centered on Charleston, South Carolina. The U.S. Office of Management and Budget designates the area as the Charleston–North Charleston, SC Metropolitan Statistical Area, a metropolitan statistical area used for statistical purposes only by the United States Census Bureau and other federal agencies. The OMB defines the area as comprising Berkeley, Charleston and Dorchester counties, an area with 664,607 in the 2010 census (though a July 1, 2012 estimate placed the population at 697,439).

 

Not only is the metro area significantly smaller, Charlotte is within easy driving distance (1.5 Hours) of the Spartanburg/Greenville, and Greensboro/Winston Salem/High Point Metro areas, both of which are larger than Charleston's metro area.  And even with a much larger population to draw on, the Panthers struggle to fill the stadium.  If they played in Charleston, they wouldn't have enough people to open all the concession stands. 

 

The team shouldn't move, but if it does, it should be to an outlying area such as along the SC/NC border near Carowinds.

[Davidson Deac II]

7 minutes ago, MechaZain said:

Relocating to a new city is a non-issue that's being overblown. London is the only market that is a potential upgrade over the Carolinas and an expansion team there makes more sense in every way. It would be a colossal waste to purchase and then uproot a successful franchise.

My big concern, especially with the local guys, is the fascination with building a new stadium. BoA is a fine stadium in a prime location and I hate the idea of giving that up for some farmland on the border.

 

Sounds logical, but owners don't always use logic.  If they did, then the Chargers would still be in San Diego. 

[Moo Daeng]

Every team will move to LA