Seattle plans to "make less excuses" for players

[jumpman910]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

To be fair though, a big part of why they have that culture is because they specifically avoid problem players.

Worley, for example. You can say they "held him in check" for a year or two, but they also dumped him.

But on the other hand, do you think Hardy explodes on the sideline with Dez in Carolina  like he did in Dallas?

I doubt it, here most of the locker room still had his back and would've kept him in line. Dallas locker room seemed kinda iffy on bringing him in from the start. 

[CanadianCat]

Great conversation. 

 

Its always risk and reward. San Fran thought they hit the lottery with Ruben Foster 'falling' to the bottom of the 1st last year. Media outlets praised Lynch to kingdom come for how he worked the draft. Now Foster is in a position where he will probably never play again.

Bengals have never been shy with these guys and you could say that because of that Burfict cost them the playoffs a few years back... 

[Mr. Scot]

I have to admit, looking back at our history, when we pick a guy who's "falling", I get nervous.

Not just Hardy, but Rashard Anderson, Jimmy Clausen, and of course Rae Carruth...all prior examples of us thinking we'd gotten lucky only to later learn otherwise.

[Mr. Scot]

 

For the record...

 

[Mr. Scot]

Contrast that with this...

Could be slightly uncomfortable.

[Nails]

2 hours ago, d-dave said:

I remember he had 1st round talent, but carried a lot of baggage out of Old Miss which drove him down to the 5th round.  Hardy almost made it.  Almost!  But that baggage can come out at crazy times and cause a lot of problems, which he is living now.

There’s no almost to it.  Hardy made it.  He took over and dominated against our two biggest rivals which jump started a run of three straight division crowns.  He was also named All-Pro.  He’s now successful yet again on the football field since finally given another chance AND nearing the pinnacle of another sport which many thought was a joke and/or that he was sure to fail in.

[CPcavedweller]

2 hours ago, mc52beast said:

Don’t really give two f’s about Carroll and his band of misfits. I hope they end up in the NFCW basement and stay there indefinitely.

When drafting players it’s always about “risk vs reward”. If a guy drops to day 2-3 who a GM views as a top player then anything is possible.

Me personally, as long as a guy doesn’t have a history of domestic violence or something else very serious then I take a shot

Without defensive talent, and a seeming blackhole where the offensive line should be, that might be right where Seattle is heading. 

[Untouchable]

I'd prefer the team to shy away.  That "investment" is worthless if their head isn't right and they can't get on the field.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, Untouchable said:

I'd prefer the team to shy away.  That "investment" is worthless if their head isn't right and they can't get on the field.

I'm fond of saying "never put yourself in the position of relying on someone who's known to be unreliable".

[Khyber53]

One risky guy that pays off will win you some games. One risky guy that goes bazoo and you destroy a team.

It just isn't worth the risk. Adding money, fame and camera time to a problem child is just stupid.

 

[shaqattaq]

4 hours ago, d-dave said:

I remember he had 1st round talent, but carried a lot of baggage out of Old Miss which drove him down to the 5th round.  Hardy almost made it.  Almost!  But that baggage can come out at crazy times and cause a lot of problems, which he is living now.

He held his poo together (barely) until he signed that big contract, then his crazy was off to the races.

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, shaqattaq said:

He held his poo together (barely) until he signed that big contract, then his crazy was off to the races.

Even before the contract, there was that whole tweeting at a hundred miles per hour thing.

[Nails]

7 minutes ago, shaqattaq said:

He held his poo together (barely) until he signed that big contract, then his crazy was off to the races.

If off to the races means no criminal charges sticking and the humility to dominate at a lower level of professional football and a whole new sport at age 29 without further incident, then ok.

[Davidson Deac II]

5 hours ago, Johnny Rockets said:

 They also have a culture and locker room that if I am not mistaken has been at near the top (Or maybe the most with the last 2) of the league in suspensions for failed tests over the last several years. They might not be "problem children" as stated in the OP but they certainly aren't the Richardson choir boys that has always been the narrative for whatever reason. 

With that being said, I don't like the NFL testing so I usually just shrug when someone gets popped for it. 

In games missed due to all forms of suspension since 2014, we are top 5.  But I think Hardy skews the results a bit.  If you look at number of players suspended, we are middle of the pack.  The cowboys are at the top by a long shot, with nearly double the suspensions of the second place team (Baltimore), and 6 more players suspended than the next closest team.