Derek Anderson...update?

[Mr. Scot]

4 minutes ago, Woodie said:

Most all of them that were not high draft picks.  And even most of those who were high picks would have greatly benefited by sitting for a while.  

Every QB that comes into the league needs work.  But those that are picked later have obvious flaws that compound the need to sit, listen, watch, and learn.  So, unless you advocate taking a QB high, it would be advantageous to take a mid-round guy and groom for a couple of years before Cam's contract is up.  And if Cam re-signs, then we have a huge draft trade chip that we can use to get a much better pick than we gave up for him.  

By the way, if we do pick a QB, it would only be about two years to sit before Cam's contract is up.

If we draft a QB with a high pick next year, this board will have the equivalent of a volcanic eruption.

[Mr. Scot]

Here's a question since we have a guy with Steeler ties for an owner and the Steelers just drafted Mason Rudolph.

Would you trade for Landry Jones?

If so, what would you give up?

[MasterAwesome]

10 minutes ago, Woodie said:

Most all of them that were not high draft picks.  And even most of those who were high picks would have greatly benefited by sitting for a while.  

Every QB that comes into the league needs work.  But those that are picked later have obvious flaws that compound the need to sit, listen, watch, and learn.  So, unless you advocate taking a QB high, it would be advantageous to take a mid-round guy and groom for a couple of years before Cam's contract is up.  And if Cam re-signs, then we have a huge draft trade chip that we can use to get a much better pick than we gave up for him.  

By the way, if we do pick a QB, it would only be about two years to sit before Cam's contract is up.

So as with Jeremy, what are you basing this off of? The starting QBs in the NFL are overwhelmingly drafted high... at least 20 from the first round and 15 of those in the top 5 overall picks. The notable ones outside of the first round being Brees/Dalton/Carr at the very top of the second and then Russell Wilson/Dak Prescott/Kirk Cousins in the 3rd/4th...all of them having started by their second season except Cousins. Even the notion of drafting a QB late to groom into a starter is nonsense and just doesn’t happen except in very rare cases. If a QB is deemed to even have starting potential, then they’re not going to last until the late rounds...starting-caliber QBs are extremely rare and too valuable to allow to slide in the draft. Plus there are 32 starting QBs who, aside from serious injury, can expect to play 10-15 years easily...and with so many college QB prospects entering the draft year after year, there’s no need to draft someone late to groom. There’s way more supply than demand so you can draft QBs high if you want a starter, and draft mid-late round QBs as backups.

To say that those who were drafted high and started right away would greatly benefit from sitting for a while is just purely baseless speculation. Sure some QBs may benefit from riding the bench for a while, but for every QB whose development has been hindered by being played too soon, there is another whose development is accelerated by hundreds of actual game reps and being able to work any kinks out on the field instead of just in practice and in the playbook.

[Woodie]

29 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

If we draft a QB with a high pick next year, this board will have the equivalent of a volcanic eruption.

And they should.  I can definitely see us looking at one in the third.

[Woodie]

3 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

So as with Jeremy, what are you basing this off of? The starting QBs in the NFL are overwhelmingly drafted high... at least 20 from the first round and 15 of those in the top 5 overall picks. The notable ones outside of the first round being Brees/Dalton/Carr at the very top of the second and then Russell Wilson/Dak Prescott/Kirk Cousins in the 3rd/4th...all of them having started by their second season except Cousins. Even the notion of drafting a QB late to groom into a starter is nonsense and just doesn’t happen except in very rare cases. If a QB is deemed to even have starting potential, then they’re not going to last until the late rounds...starting-caliber QBs are extremely rare and too valuable to allow to slide in the draft. Plus there are 32 starting QBs who, aside from serious injury, can expect to play 10-15 years easily...and with so many college QB prospects entering the draft year after year, there’s no need to draft someone late to groom. There’s way more supply than demand so you can draft QBs high if you want a starter, and draft mid-late round QBs as backups.

To say that those who were drafted high and started right away would greatly benefit from sitting for a while is just purely baseless speculation. Sure some QBs may benefit from riding the bench for a while, but for every QB whose development has been hindered by being played too soon, there is another whose development is accelerated by hundreds of actual game reps and being able to work any kinks out on the field instead of just in practice and in the playbook.

I'm basing it off history.  You may not have been around long enough to understand the true value of sitting a QB for a while (not meaning it as an insult, just a historical perspective).  

Anyone picked in the high second or first does not really fit in this discussion since we are talking about mid-round QB's (and since I don't think anybody would seriously advocate taking a QB high while we still have Cam).  And of the later round ones you mentioned, Cousins wasn't a full time starter until year 4, and the others had flaws that had to be covered by their defense or running game.  Go look at the QB's who played early, none of them were ready to lead their teams.  It took Wilson 2-3 years before he became the leader of the team, and not the defense.  And Prescott looked good with Elliott, but when he wasn't there, his flaws showed.  Neither were truly ready and would have benefited from sitting for a while.  

Even the high draft picks would benefit from sitting a bit.  Every single expert and/or ex-player that has talked about young QB's mentions it.  It's just that between the salary cap and a limited number of decent QB's, it's rare that one team has a solid guy to hold the fort until the young gun is ready.  So teams tend to throw high picks out there prematurely.  Heck, Aaron Rodgers has talked about how he benefited from sitting behind Favre for a few years. 

QB's need time to work on their game and learn how to operate in the NFL...especially with they way colleges are not really preparing them these days.  Sure, some can have moderate success, but even those would have benefited from being able to watch and learn.  And that's especially true of mid-round guys who have more flaws than the earlier picks.

[Mr. Scot]

Starting quarterbacks in their rookie season has become pretty common in the NFL.

I'm not a fan.

[Jeremy Igo]

On 5/27/2018 at 12:32 PM, MasterAwesome said:

Lol where are you even getting this from? How many current starting QBs sat their first 3 years? Or even their first full season? Like....4? 5?

You planning on the Panthers having a top 10 pick?

[Mr. Scot]

39 minutes ago, Jeremy Igo said:

You planning on the Panthers having a top 10 pick?

Well, that is technically possible.

Said it before though: the Panthers using a high pick on a quarterback would mean RIP to the Huddle servers.

Heck, trading a pick for a guy like Landry Jones probably results in "spirited debate", maybe more depending on how high a pick was traded.

[MasterAwesome]

1 hour ago, Jeremy Igo said:

You planning on the Panthers having a top 10 pick?

The chances of the Panthers having a top ten pick are way higher than the chances of Cam leaving us in FA when his contract is up...how often do franchise QBs willingly walk away from their team to test FA? Unless you're saying the Panthers just aren’t going to make him an offer (both equally unlikely)? Yet you’re humoring the idea of Cam leaving but the idea of us having a high draft pick is somehow unfathomable?

[TheSpecialJuan]

On 5/27/2018 at 4:06 PM, TheSpecialJuan said:

According to ESPN Jets reporter Rich Cimini, Teddy Bridgewater's trade value is "trending upward."

Cimini said the former Viking was "one of the bright spots" at last week's OTAs. The Jets originally signed Bridgewater with the intent of trading him for a draft pick, but Cimini cautions that coach Todd Bowles will start the best quarterback and that could very well be Bridgewater. Even in the unlikely event that he does win the starting job this summer, Bridgewater would just be keeping the seat warm for first-round rookie Sam Darnold.

According to Rich Cimini, Teddy has really been turning heads with his performance at OTA's.

[bewonee]

On 5/27/2018 at 12:58 PM, LinvilleGorge said:

Truth. 

Rodgers (who is the best QB in the league, admittedly) is the only one iirc.

[Captain Morgan]

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[Paa Langfart]

I guess someone told him for sure his services are no longer needed ?