Ron thinking we won't be signing a backup QB

[dpm0409]

1 minute ago, Zaximus said:

I don't think he's signed anywhere

Right, I took Ron's statement to mean that DA won't be on our roster this year (but as someone else already mentioned, quoting Ron is fairly useless as his coach speak is more times than not, misleading).  Will eventually sign elsewhere and play the backup role though I'd assume.

[LinvilleGorge]

12 minutes ago, dpm0409 said:

Right, I took Ron's statement to mean that DA won't be on our roster this year (but as someone else already mentioned, quoting Ron is fairly useless as his coach speak is more times than not, misleading).  Will eventually sign elsewhere and play the backup role though I'd assume.

Only if they haven’t seen him play in the last two years. You’re better off with a young, unproven complete unknown than you are with the current version of DA. Might as well just run the wildcat.

[dpm0409]

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

Only if they haven’t seen him play in the last two years. You’re better off with a young, unproven complete unknown than you are with the current version of DA. Might as well just run the wildcat.

Haha, this is probably true.  Hell, DA might want to start focusing on golf at this point and retire from football.

 

[Camp Fodder]

3 hours ago, countryboi said:

when have any of us ever felt good about our oline?

2013 was last time I remember

[rayzor]

2 hours ago, dpm0409 said:

Haha, this is probably true.  Hell, DA might want to start focusing on golf at this point and retire from football.

 

I think he already told his kids he probably wasn't playing this year and he didn't sound excited about not playing. 

[panthers55]

3 hours ago, dpm0409 said:

Right, I took Ron's statement to mean that DA won't be on our roster this year (but as someone else already mentioned, quoting Ron is fairly useless as his coach speak is more times than not, misleading).  Will eventually sign elsewhere and play the backup role though I'd assume.

Let's say we are in negotiations to see if we want to resign Anderson, would we want to say he is the backup or someone else? Of course it is coach speak. Why would he not keep his real feelings close to his vest. I love how folks think Rivera should be an open book and not keep most things to himself. He is saying what he says for a purpose that most times fans have no idea why or frankly need to know why.

[panthers55]

2 hours ago, stbugs said:

Yep, Gilbert last year was a better QB than DA. Just took Ron an extra year to finally realize it’s OK to change when the player is done. 

Or maybe Gilbert wasn't ready to be the backup and needed more work. But let's keep with the foolish dialogue that Ron can't evaluate talent or have a clue what he is doing.

[dpm0409]

8 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Let's say we are in negotiations to see if we want to resign Anderson, would we want to say he is the backup or someone else? Of course it is coach speak. Why would he not keep his real feelings close to his vest. I love how folks think Rivera should be an open book and not keep most things to himself. He is saying what he says for a purpose that most times fans have no idea why or frankly need to know why.

I didn't say RR should convey his real/true feelings to the media....obviously you don't do that as a coach and I don't think anyone truly expects Ron to do this...

I was simply making the statement that coach speak needs to always be taken with a grain of salt and the primary reason for that being the fact that we as fans don't truly know why Ron says what he does.  Could be trying to motivate a single player or an entire position group, we really have no idea, thus take coach speak with a grain of salt.

[KillerKat]

1 hour ago, stbugs said:

Or maybe let’s post backing up RR with the silly notion that is non-NFL people can’t watch preseason and formulate an opinion. 

I’m making an assumption that you are just posting your regular defend the coaches schtick and that you didn’t watch preseason or every play of the regular season. If you did and you didn’t formulate an opinion that Amini and DA were garbage last year then there’s no help for you. Gilbert played better than DA in preseason, period. DA couldn’t hit open receivers. He looked awful. Same with Amini. Every play he was in the defense abused him and Moton was the jumbo package guy and looked good blocking. Moton was in on the block that sprung Stewart for a 60 yard TD. Amini was the guy who was always on his ass as the DL ran by.

Please tell me you don’t actually think DA and Amini looked like NFL players last year. Gilbert would have thrown a bunch of picks had he played but he would have given the offense a chance to move if Cam went down last year. If DA had to play, we would have just lost and the offense would have been the worst in the NFL.

p55 has always backed the coaches dating back to the Henning days so pay no attention.

[Paa Langfart]

7 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'd feel better about this if I felt better about our offensive line.

Preseason last year Gilbert was the best QB we had at getting the ball out.  Granted it was preseason but he got rid of it faster than Cam ever has.

 

edited to add - At first I lthought you meant that Gilbert wouldn't be able to scramble with the ball like Cam, but you may have meant that Cam is in danger and we may well be using the back up.  What ever I cant see Gilbert being worse than DA.

[Paa Langfart]

7 hours ago, uncfan888 said:

Meh. If Cam goes down, we're fuged anyways. 

Why do you say that ? I know it is a popular sentiment but ,  I remember Cam being out a couple of games and DA starting and us winning.  Its not beyond the realm of possibility that we could have a winning season without Cam.  It has happened with other teams losing their starter and the back up stepping up.  Matter of fact our 2003 season we started with Rodney Pete as out starting qb - not comparing Pete to Cam but just saying ……. stranger things have happened.

[panthers55]

1 hour ago, KillerKat said:

p55 has always backed the coaches dating back to the Henning days so pay no attention.

Strange how that goes. Fan of the team and supports the coaches and players until there is a reason to complain. Wow what a concept.

[Moo Daeng]

1 hour ago, KillerKat said:

p55 has always backed the coaches dating back to the Henning days so pay no attention.

And you whine about anything and everything without fail.

[panthers55]

2 hours ago, stbugs said:

Or maybe let’s post backing up RR with the silly notion that is non-NFL people can’t watch preseason and formulate an opinion. 

I’m making an assumption that you are just posting your regular defend the coaches schtick and that you didn’t watch preseason or every play of the regular season. If you did and you didn’t formulate an opinion that Amini and DA were garbage last year then there’s no help for you. Gilbert played better than DA in preseason, period. DA couldn’t hit open receivers. He looked awful. Same with Amini. Every play he was in the defense abused him and Moton was the jumbo package guy and looked good blocking. Moton was in on the block that sprung Stewart for a 60 yard TD. Amini was the guy who was always on his ass as the DL ran by.

Please tell me you don’t actually think DA and Amini looked like NFL players last year. Gilbert would have thrown a bunch of picks had he played but he would have given the offense a chance to move if Cam went down last year. If DA had to play, we would have just lost and the offense would have been the worst in the NFL.

First of all Gilbert played mostly against the second and third team defenses so to say he was best is clearly not comparing apples to apples. Secondly of course you can watch preseason and form an opinion. The question is whether it is informed or not. Or trumps the coaches opinion who see practice every day, sees them during film and training sessions and afterwards dissects plays knowing both what happened and what was supposed to happen. Something a Non NFL guy doesn't have available to them.

Both DA and Amini are NFL players who have played well at times and not well others. I think Amini adds good depth and is worthy of a roster spot. I think we need to move on from DA and like what Gilbert did last year. However I am not going to say that he could do a good job if pressed into service and I hope nothing happens to Cam because Gilbert might be our next Delhomme or our next David Carr/Jimmy Clausen. Much too early to tell.