Rapoport on Panthers backup QB

[Moo Daeng]

15 hours ago, Devil Doc said:

Heinicke? Really? I think Gilbert was waay better... only reason Hein gets a chance is because of the Turner connection. 

I'm curious what you base this on. Heinicke looked better in every facet IMO and the stats seem  show it. Gilbert had the only pct in the 50s on the roster

[Pup McBarky]

If Heinicke had Gilbert's arm, we'd have something.

[Carl Spackler]

2 hours ago, Moo Daeng said:

I'm curious what you base this on. Heinicke looked better in every facet IMO and the stats seem  show it. Gilbert had the only pct in the 50s on the roster

Heinicke is faster and that’s about it. Gilbert has a stronger arm and can make tight throws a bit better as well. Heinicke makes good decisions, though. They both do. Gilbert just got shafted bc Norv wanted his guy. 

[Carl Spackler]

16 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'd choose Will Grier so I can keep cheering for him.  He also grew up in North Carolina as a Panther fan.

Plus he's good, which kinda matters...

I would love to have Grier as Cam’s backup, but he’s gonna be a top-10 pick at worst. Probably a top-five pick. 

[Paa Langfart]

1 hour ago, Carl Spackler said:

I would love to have Grier as Cam’s backup, but he’s gonna be a top-10 pick at worst. Probably a top-five pick. 

Unless he hoses up this season some way I would also guess a top ten pick.  Hopefully we will be picking at 32.

[Mr. Scot]

Grier will actually be playing in Bank of America Stadium later today.

Here's hoping it's a foreshadowing of things to come.

[Paa Langfart]

58 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Grier will actually be playing in Bank of America Stadium later today.

I have family traveling from Morgantown to Charlotte to see the game.  Ill be watching on television from a more comfortable seat.

[NorthTryon]

59 minutes ago, Carl Spackler said:

Heinicke is faster and that’s about it. Gilbert has a stronger arm and can make tight throws a bit better as well. Heinicke makes good decisions, though. They both do. Gilbert just got shafted bc Norv wanted his guy. 

All of a sudden people are psychics.  When did Heinicke become Norv’s guy to the point he would give him the job no matter what or shaft a better player? You made that statement like you and Gilbert are friends and he told you Heinicke was Norv’s guy.  Be better than that.

I agree they played fairly evenly until Thursday.  Gilbert really struggled though and Heinicke looked smooth in his limited time.  It was close, but Heinicke clearly played better and looked better than a lot of backups teams are carrying into the season.

[Woodie]

3 hours ago, Carl Spackler said:

Heinicke is faster and that’s about it. Gilbert has a stronger arm and can make tight throws a bit better as well. Heinicke makes good decisions, though. They both do. Gilbert just got shafted bc Norv wanted his guy. 

It's not just faster, he's far more mobile and has better pocket presence.  Gilbert is fine when he has time to throw, but he's a statue that struggles when there is any pressure because he's not good at maneuvering in the pocket.  So, when things break down, we are doomed with Gilbert, but at least Heinicke can buy himself time and have a chance to make a play.  

Regardless, I don't think either are our long-term answer for Cam's backup.  We may have to go with one of them, but I wouldn't be a bit shocked to see us make a move for a better option.

[Mr. Scot]

21 minutes ago, Woodie said:

It's not just faster, he's far more mobile and has better pocket presence.  Gilbert is fine when he has time to throw, but he's a statue that struggles when there is any pressure because he's not good at maneuvering in the pocket.  So, when things break down, we are doomed with Gilbert, but at least Heinicke can buy himself time and have a chance to make a play.  

Regardless, I don't think either are our long-term answer for Cam's backup.  We may have to go with one of them, but I wouldn't be a bit shocked to see us make a move for a better option.

Mobility doesn't mean much if the guy follows up escaping pressure by throwing a bad pass.

Gilbert was definitely the better passer of the two.

[Mr. Scot]

Side Note: I'm watching college football and Texas Tech receiver TJ vasher (6'6) just made an Odell Beckham type catch that was amazing.

[Mr. Scot]

And Ole Miss responded with a 94 yard kickoff return for a touchdown. Holy crap.

Y'all should tune in to this game. It's on ESPN.

[Carl Spackler]

2 hours ago, NorthTryon said:

All of a sudden people are psychics.  When did Heinicke become Norv’s guy to the point he would give him the job no matter what or shaft a better player? You made that statement like you and Gilbert are friends and he told you Heinicke was Norv’s guy.  Be better than that.

I agree they played fairly evenly until Thursday.  Gilbert really struggled though and Heinicke looked smooth in his limited time.  It was close, but Heinicke clearly played better and looked better than a lot of backups teams are carrying into the season.

Limited time? Heinicke played nearly the whole first half. Gilbert got like two series. He’s the one with limited time and he only had a turnover this preseason because was strip-sacked thanks to Blaine Causell. I’d love to know how that constitutes “really struggling,” though. He had a dump-off that was an early give-up on a third down. That’s about the only negative I saw. Heinicke continued showing off his pocket mobility but he also badly, badly missed on several throws.

If you’re gonna ask me to be better, hold yourself to the same standard. 

[trueblade]

Neither Heinicke nor Gilbert engender much confidence they could pilot the Panthers to even a single win in the regular season which could well be the difference between the playoffs at 10-6 and sitting home at 9-7.