Ron Rivera blew all three timeouts on a single point-less drive in a fourth quarter one-score game against a divisional rival

[t96]

2 minutes ago, PntherPryd said:

If you are out of timeouts you are out of challenges.  So why not challenge while using last time out?  That was my point.

Oh was that our last TO? I thought it was our 2nd... In that case I'd have taken the penalty. But the real problem wasn't Rivera it was letting the play clock get so low in that situation that we were forced to make that decision.

[AggieLean]

Most of our timeout issues are on Cam and the offense. It is what it is.

I expect it to get a bit better as everyone gets familiar with the offensive system, but we’re always going to be a middle of the road team in wasting timeouts.

[thefuzz]

Also, just went back and looked.

We were 2nd in the NFL last season in taking delay of game penalties at home...only behind the Chargers, who don't have a home.

We had 5 delay of game penalties called against us in 8 home games.  Wonder how many timeouts we burned to only have that many?

It's an issue, you cannot say otherwise and keep a straight face.

[smash_n_dash]

I just want to point out that Aaron Rodgers called two timeouts (last night) on similar plays that Cam did. He had some players not in the right position on one play and then he got his team to the line late on another play. Maybe Cam isn't old enough to not get criticism yet. 

[thefuzz]

1 minute ago, smash_n_dash said:

I just want to point out that Aaron Rodgers called two timeouts (last night) on similar plays that Cam did. He had some players not in the right position on one play and then he got his team to the line late on another play. Maybe Cam isn't old enough to not get criticism yet. 

Where was the game?

 

[CarolinaSamurai]

2 hours ago, PhillyB said:

Ron Rivera isn't a bad coach but there's a reason he's got a reputation for being situationally weak. He deserves all the criticism he gets for it.

Thankfully offensive talent bailed him out. I am all for complementary football - we saw it played out yesterday in textbook form - but I fear Ron Rivera's achilles heel is a coaching weakness that can never complement weaknesses in other areas and pick the team up.

Let's hope we're good enough to never rely on it.

 

Seriously Ron needs to hire a coach the only does clock management and timeouts just like McVay did

[Mr. Scot]

You can argue details all you want, but when you look at the big picture one thing is clear: Ron Rivera is just not a good gameday coach. He has his strengths, but that's not one of them. And in games against others who do have good game day skills (like Sean Payton, for example) he tends to get outcoached.

People can choose to defend him based on his other strengths, but if you're actually trying to make the case that he's a good in-game coach, you're just ignoring the truth. You might as well argue that Chris Manhertz is worthy of a roster spot based on his receiving skills 

[TheCasillas]

18 minutes ago, t96 said:

Well it was a stupid challenge, it clearly was not a first down. OK use the timeout there rather than take the penalty, but don't waste the challenge, you never know when they might come in handy...

you can't challenge without a timeout.... lol

That was our last timeout.

[PntherPryd]

13 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

You can argue details all you want, but when you look at the big picture one thing is clear: Ron Rivera is just not a good gameday coach. He has his strengths, but that's not one of them. And in games against others who do have good game day skills (like Sean Payton, for example) he tends to get outcoached.

People can choose to defend him based on his other strengths, but if you're actually trying to make the case that he's a good in-game coach, you're just ignoring the truth. You might as well argue that Chris Manhertz is worthy of a roster spot based on his receiving skills 

You are right.  Against a great game day skilled coach like Sean Payton he tends to be out-coached.  He is 7-8 against Payton.  

 

[Mr. Scot]

10 minutes ago, PntherPryd said:

You are right.  Against a great game day skilled coach like Sean Payton he tends to be out-coached.  He is 7-8 against Payton.  

 

Payton has Rivera's defense pretty well figured out at this point.

Mind you, you can still win games where you're outcoached if a lot of other things go in your favor, but tain't easy.

What's funny to me is as a DC, Rivera was positively deadly to elite quarterbacks. He owned Peyton Manning like no one else did. And even early on here he knew exactly how to knock Drew Brees off his game. That's why one of my expectations when we hired him was that we'd be very effective against the higher echelon passers.

Sadly though, I haven't seen that kind of magic in a long time, and I don't know where it went.

[PntherPryd]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

Payton has Rivera's defense pretty well figured out at this point.

Mind you, you can still win games where you're outcoached if a lot of other things go in your favor, but tain't easy.

What's funny to me is as a DC, Rivera was positively deadly to elite quarterbacks. He owned Peyton Manning like no one else did. And even early on here he knew exactly how to knock Drew Brees off his game. That's why one of my expectations when we hired him was that we'd be very effective against the higher echelon passers.

Sadky though, I haven't seen that kind of magic in a long time, and I don't know where it went.

I mean, don't you think this qualifies as "Over-Reaction Monday"?

obviously the saints had our number in 2017 but we split in 2016 and swept them in 2015.   Plus splits in 2014, 2013 and we swept them again in 2012 so I don't get the historical elevation of Payton as some great game day manager.

 

[thefuzz]

9 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Payton has Rivera's defense pretty well figured out at this point.

Mind you, you can still win games where you're outcoached if a lot of other things go in your favor, but tain't easy.

What's funny to me is as a DC, Rivera was positively deadly to elite quarterbacks. He owned Peyton Manning like no one else did. And even early on here he knew exactly how to knock Drew Brees off his game. That's why one of my expectations when we hired him was that we'd be very effective against the higher echelon passers.

Sadly though, I haven't seen that kind of magic in a long time, and I don't know where it went.

To be honest, Peyton always struggled against 3-4 defenses.

Ravens, Chargers, Pats, gave him fits.

[PntherPryd]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Nuts said:

Ron suck but he wins enough to not get fired

How many teams would give their left nut to have playoff trips in 4 of the last 5 years and a SB appearance?

Honestly do not get the "fire Rivera" crowd.  

[thefuzz]

6 minutes ago, PntherPryd said:

I mean, don't you think this qualifies as "Over-Reaction Monday"?

obviously the saints had our number in 2017 but we split in 2016 and swept them in 2015.   Plus splits in 2014, 2013 and we swept them again in 2012 so I don't get the historical elevation of Payton as some great game day manager.

 

I tried to make this point last week about Ron.

He is 5 and 9 agains the division since since the start of 2016 including yesterday.