The coming offseason

[Harbingers]

1 hour ago, RumHam said:

Literally 5/6 of these are hurney moves. When u see it in front of you, it's worse. Gtfo

What did I say this offseason, but nooooo everybody got on the Hurney train again. 

Cap hell here we come! 

[Harbingers]

@RumHam at least I doubt the new ownership will be keeping Hurney around this offseason. Be careful of your favorites too though. The big contracts are coming up.

[LinvilleGorge]

4 minutes ago, Harbingers said:

@Mr. Scot

it isn’t even playoffs yet dude.

 

[ras977]

2 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

(I've said this in a couple of different places so I decided to just go ahead and put it in its own thread)

The coming offseason is likely to be an important one for the Panthers.

We'll have current starters (Devin Funchess, Mike Adams, Chris Clark) and longtime stalwarts (Ryan Kalil, Thomas Davis, Julius Peppers) possibly / probably moving on, or being moved on from. There will also be free agent decisions (Funchess, Darryl Williams, Eric Reid) and decisions on what to do with important positions (give Kawann Short and Dontari Poe another year? Continue to trust Graham Gano? stick with Matt Kalil or dump him and start Taylor Moton on the left?) and since there are relatively few players already under contract for next season, a fair amount of cap space.

For these reasons and more, there's a strong chance the Panthers roster will look very different next year. We're set up for a large scale overhaul, and the decisions that are made this offseason have the potential to affect the Panthers for several years down the road.

So here's what we have to ask ourselves...

Do you trust our current leadership to set the Panthers up for the foreseeable future?

To borrow from an old Bill Parcells analogy, right now, Ron Rivera is writing the shopping list, Marty Hurney is the one doing the grocery shopping, nd once the ingredients are in place, Rivera and his staff make the meal.

I'm probably the world's worst cook, but even I wouldn't allow either of those guys in my kitchen. Neither do I think it's enough to simply replace one of them. I think we have to go with a completely fresh start.

Now I know some will say that's scary, and it's understood. There's no way to know for sure whether a new coach or a new GM will be better than what we have. There is even the potential that they could be worse.

But here's the thing: We already have guys in place who just aren't up to the task. And if I have to choose between starting over with somebody who might be bad but might be good or sticking with somebody who I know isn't good, I'm going to take Option A every time.

if you're unhappy with what we have now, imagine how you'll feel after five more years of the same people running the team.

I am just not down for that.

So you tell me: Are you willing to trust a major roster shake up to the people who brought you this season so far, are you ready to part ways with one but not the other, or do you want to clean house?

Make your case.

 

[ras977]

You are really on a roll--can't wait for the off season to start your BS.

[Mr. Scot]

4 minutes ago, ras977 said:

You are really on a roll--can't wait for the off season to start your BS.

You're free to make your argument as to why sticking with the existing leadership is the right move.

State your case.

[ras977]

8 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

You're free to make your argument as to why sticking with the existing leadership is the right move.

State your case.

When the season is over-not now.

You may be right, but, I will reserve judgment.

[bigdog10]

Good lord this place is cancerous. How about we just enjoy the fact that we have panthers football for the next six weeks and meaningful games at that. 

Lord knows we can have all these coaching and personnel conversations in the actual offseason. 

 

[Ship]

Keep Williams and keep Clark. Ditch Kalil. Draft another OT or a cheap FA. Williams and Moton will be starters going forward. Clark can be depth with starter experience at LT-- if Williams injured Moton moves back to RT, if Moton injured Clark can just step in.

Keep Gano but either draft another kicker in the 6/7th or UDFA to legit compete-- should probably do this every year Gano is here from now on. He should never feel comfortable.

Let Funch walk-- we've seen enough and we've got a couple of stars in the making. Wait and see what WR market looks like before cutting Torrey-- if it's expensive again, keep him and let him be the vet. If cheap, see if we can upgrade.

Keep Eric Reid and cut Searcy. Reid has the attributes we want in a guy and can be a leader. With a full offseason within the team and being back in football without any breaks, I think he can be better next year. Keep Adams, but we need a true replacement for him ASAP-- don't dilly dally with Gaulden if he can't take the step. Either a top rookie or a solid vet.

Ryan Kalil-- looks like we have the replacement in the building, but we'll need a new back-up who should be capable of competing for the starting role at C. Might need to draft someone (maybe a G/C combo to compete for LG if the C spot gets wrapped up).

Keep Cockrell-- we have no idea what we have and he seemed like a solid option. Might need to bring in a FA at nickel or draft another guy who we think can start. Captain should be cut, he's done here and not sure if Corn is the answer, but he'll be competing.

Keep Poe and Short, probably ditch Butler and retain Love. We need to draft a space eater.

DE-- Peppers is done let him retire. Addison is at his ceiling. We need to land a stud somehow, someway. Getting a stud here will make a big difference.

LB-- keep Shaq. Davis will play another year and Shaq can't be trusted, but he's better than no one. I think we need to be looking for a fast guy in the draft-- someone like Telvin Smith (who we should have drafted to replace Davis in like round 4).

RB-- ditch CAP. Find a big guy who can catch to bruise the defense next to CMC.

[Harbingers]

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

 

We ain’t eliminated until we are officially eliminated. Til then I’m focusing on this season.

[Zaximus]

I think you need to start looking at stuff like this now if you're Tepper.    Does it really matter if we make playoffs?   Rivera is not getting us over the hump.    Unless he's completely a different person and this defense becomes 85' Bears then it's just time to move on.

People also aren't mentioning Olsen, I don't think it's a given he's back.

[Pimpdaddy]

I"ve seen stranger things happen..but we been riddin this pony for awhile....its out of tricks...

[LinvilleGorge]

15 minutes ago, Harbingers said:

We ain’t eliminated until we are officially eliminated. Til then I’m focusing on this season.

Fortunately, since we're just fans, it really doesn't matter what we focus on. It won't impact a thing.

[Hotsauce]

Here’s my thought. 

If we lose the next couple of games I’m all in for a complete overhaul. Im good tanking and giving guys like Samuel and Moore more PT. Im also good for cutting/not bringing back all those vets, and not resigning most guys. The idea is to free up cap room. 

Im also in the camp that if we do truely lose out the next few, Fire Ron, let Norv take over. That way we get an early jump on interviewing and hiring our next coach. 

At the same time begin interviewing GMs and part ways with Hurney early off season. 

Im ok having a down year next year while having a mid range high pick in 2019, and a high pick in 2020.