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Some coaches take responsibility, others just riverboat

LinvilleGorge

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1 minute ago, Manther said:

No its not contradictory.  Both fit in the category of bad judgement.

I don’t know man...the fact that you claim we lose our coordinators because we don’t pay them enough or because Rivera “believes in the revolving door”, makes me severely question your own judgment. That’s not how the NFL works...successful coordinators will take head coaching opportunities 99/100 times. That’s like being a team lead at a company and getting offered a senior manager position somewhere else and saying “Naw, I’m good where I’m at!”.

And did you really say Bill Belichick pays his coordinators very well? You think Belichick is paying his coordinators’ salaries out of his own pocket? I think you need to brush up on the roles and responsibilities of the members of an NFL organization.

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When you accept responsibility for failure, you obligate yourself to make changes and get better. 

When you deflect blame for failure, you accept your actions as satisfactory and therefore have no need to change or improve. And you are doomed to repeat the same mistakes and failures over and over again. 

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10 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

When you accept responsibility for failure, you obligate yourself to make changes and get better. 

When you deflect blame for failure, you accept your actions as satisfactory and therefore have no need to change or improve. And you are doomed to repeat the same mistakes and failures over and over again. 

That's our guy in a nutshell.  Kudos.

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6 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

And did you really say Bill Belichick pays his coordinators very well? You think Belichick is paying his coordinators’ salaries out of his own pocket? I think you need to brush up on the roles and responsibilities of the members of an NFL organization.

Josh McDaniels the highest-paid offensive coordinator in the NFL.  He does not want HC job.  He does not want a HC job.  

Why you so far up RR's ass?

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17 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

So I’m hearing both that Rivera blames the players and doesn’t take accountability for losses, but that he also praises/coddles our mediocre players as if they’re great?? Doesn’t that seem a little contradictory? Or does he blame our good players and praise our weak ones? Asking for a friend.

When he's coaching and making roster decisions, he praises and elevates players who aren't really all that good.

When he loses a game, he blames it on player execution and never on coaching... except that one time when he said "maybe" coaching had something to do with it.

These things do not contradict each other in any way.

If that was too complicated, I can try and explain it again.

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1 minute ago, trueblade said:

I don't follow the Patriots closely, but wasn't DeGugliemo fired after Bill talked his old friend Scarnecchia out of retirement?

Pretty sure he was fired and then Belichick talked Scarnecchia into coming back.

Side Note: Scarnecchia is arguably one of the best coaches on that staff.

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1 minute ago, Navy_football said:

When you accept responsibility for failure, you obligate yourself to make changes and get better. 

When you deflect blame for failure, you accept your actions as satisfactory and therefore have no need to change or improve. And you are doomed to repeat the same mistakes and failures over and over again. 

And both are irrelevant to a head coach’s standing in the eyes of his boss. It’s not like Tepper or Richardson watch/watched these pressers and think “Hmmm, guess it wasn’t his fault after all” and keep him on board. It sounds like all the Rivera hate should be directed more towards our owner if anything. If Rivera is as terrible and set-in-his-ways as everyone thinks he is, then why constantly put him down instead of the person who made an active decision to keep him? Do you think Rivera is gonna change at this point?

Who got more blame for the failures of Eric Washington? Rivera for promoting him and sticking with him longer than he should, or Eric Washington himself? Pretty sure it was/is Rivera...now who gets blamed more for the failures of Ron Rivera? Tepper/Richardson for sticking with him longer than they should or Rivera himself? Again, Rivera. And yes I know there has been criticism towards Washington and Tepper, but the bulk of it in both cases has been towards Rivera.

This is why Rivera criticisms come off as personal and blind hating to me. There’s no consistency in applying logic...just, no matter what, it’s always Rivera’s fault.

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7 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

When he's coaching and making roster decisions, he praises and elevates players who aren't really all that good.

When he loses a game, he blames it on player execution and never on coaching... except that one time when he said "maybe" coaching had something to do with it.

These things do not contradict each other in any way.

If that was too complicated, I can try and explain it again.

Yep still sounds pretty contradictory to me...he praises and elevates bad players and then blames them when we lose. Please try to explain again, thanks!

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4 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

And both are irrelevant to a head coach’s standing in the eyes of his boss. It’s not like Tepper or Richardson watch/watched these pressers and think “Hmmm, guess it wasn’t his fault after all” and keep him on board. It sounds like all the Rivera hate should be directed more towards our owner if anything. If Rivera is as terrible and set-in-his-ways as everyone thinks he is, then why constantly put him down instead of the person who made an active decision to keep him? Do you think Rivera is gonna change at this point?

Who got more blame for the failures of Eric Washington? Rivera for promoting him and sticking with him longer than he should, or Eric Washington himself? Pretty sure it was/is Rivera...now who gets blamed more for the failures of Ron Rivera? Tepper/Richardson for sticking with him longer than they should or Rivera himself? Again, Rivera. And yes I know there has been criticism towards Washington and Tepper, but the bulk of it in both cases has been towards Rivera.

This is why Rivera criticisms come off as personal and blind hating to me. There’s no consistency in applying logic...just, no matter what, it’s always Rivera’s fault.

I'm not sure if you've noticed, but Tepper has been getting plenty of criticism here for keeping both Rivera and Marty Hurney.

1 minute ago, MasterAwesome said:

Yep still sounds pretty contradictory to me...he praises and elevates bad players and then blames them when we lose. Please try to explain again, thanks!

I can explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.

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