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Have we all seen WR D.K Metcalf?

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9 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

And yet that conservative Philosophy lives on... Especially when most of the huddle loved those picks at the time. This team loves saying BPA.

I'll be honeat, i tried to talk myself into both picks but I hated them. When you make a pick like that at a position of strength you need that guy to end up being great.

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12 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I'll be honeat, i tried to talk myself into both picks but I hated them. When you make a pick like that at a position of strength you need that guy to end up being great.

Now that we agree on. I hated them from day 1. your basically drafting a backup and hoping he beats out or you don't resign your current starters. BPA is the dumbest approach to drafting because you really aren't fixing anything. BPA has left us with the same holes on the offensive line, an aging pass rush that is basically dormant and this mediocre secondary. But hey we have the best LBs and defensive Interior in the league since we keep drafting the same positions..I hate the idea of BPA,  I understand taking the best player on the board but it all has to be within reason.. you can't just draft backups in the first round and waste a whole rookie contract paying them like first rounders until the last year of their deal.

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Just now, MHS831 said:

DId not read the entire thread, but what I saw at the combine--I would take him over the fourth DE or the third DT---

He is the kind of player you regret not taking in 2-3 years.   Imagine our WRs? Unstoppable.

This i agree with...Why take the meh 4th defensive end when you can have the best Dt or WR and have a considerable jump at that position.

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11 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

Now that we agree on. I hated them from day 1. your basically drafting a backup and hoping he beats out or you don't resign your current starters. BPA is the dumbest approach to drafting because you really aren't fixing anything. BPA has left us with the same holes on the offensive line, an aging pass rush that is basically dormant and this mediocre secondary. But hey we have the best LBs and defensive Interior in the league since we keep drafting the same positions..I hate the idea of BPA,  I understand taking the best player on the board but it all has to be within reason.. you can't just draft backups in the first round and waste a whole rookie contract paying them like first rounders until the last year of their deal.

I wouldn't necessarily call it dumb. If Shaq and/or Butler were studs right now we could certainly use them. Instead, we had to sign Poe as a FA and that's looking like a bust and now going into his 5th season no one is too excited to see Shaq try to replace TD. It's just that if you do take the guy you think is the BPA and it's at a position of strength it really puts pressure on you to find solutions elsewhere at other positions.

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1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I wouldn't necessarily call it dumb. If Shaq and/or Butler were studs right now we could certainly use them. Instead, we had to sign Poe as a FA and that's looking like a bust and now going into his 5th season no one is too excited to see Shaq try to replace TD. It's just that if you do take the guy you think is the BPA and it's at a position of strength it really puts pressure on you to find solutions elsewhere at other positions.

I dont think its to bright because the same things that were the reasons you lost to the saints last season.. are the same reasons you won't beat them this season. You aren't catching up to the curve,your basically just changing the same tire over and over again. With our terrible cap issues you aren't able to sign any one of value to find those other solutions you speak of so how can you justify taking a backup at a position of strength when you know the draft is the best possible situation or only for you to fix your weaknesses?

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14 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

I dont think its to bright because the same things that were the reasons you lost to the saints last season.. are the same reasons you won't beat them this season. You aren't catching up to the curve,your basically just changing the same tire over and over again. With our terrible cap issues you aren't able to sign any one of value to find those other solutions you speak of so how can you justify taking a backup at a position of strength when you know the draft is the best possible situation or only for you to fix your weaknesses?

It was more excusable with Butler than Shaq IMO due to the frequency of ration on the DL. That's one unit where the backups really aren't backups as much as they are rotational players. A lot of backup DL end up playing a lot of snaps.

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It was more excusable with Butler than Shaq IMO due to the frequency of ration on the DL. That's one unit where the backups really aren't backups as much as they are rotational players. A lot of backup DL end up playing a lot of snaps.

That gets lost so much when discussing DL(especially interior) and depth. They HAVE to play. But that doesn’t mean it needs your top asset thrown at it. Plenty of decent depth options available in the later rounds which we usually traded away. 

 

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2 hours ago, micnificent28 said:

I'm not sure where you get this idea... This team drafted Shaq who was our back up lineback until the 5th year of his rookie deal..We drafted butler behind Star and Short...I would argue that a big possession guy(also he's as fast as samuel) is right in line with those picks...If you truly believe in BPA you can't count this out because he very well could be the BPA when we pick.

I was talking about the Metcalf argument.  

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