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[Toomers]

Just now, Cpt slay a ho said:

What are you on? Bringing up hurney is bringing up the gm. Why the hell would I bring up the 3 previous years under a different gm and qb, how does that correlate with the current argument  , please explain...: 

you mad because I’m displaying the same kind of flawed thinking you are, said it before there’s no proof to state Smith off of the team was a plus for the team 

Show the post before the “different QBs and different GMs” comment you made trying to justify SS on consistent losing teams. Where is it? Why would I question you repeatedly about why they mattered if you didn’t bring them up. There are plenty of those too. Your post is on top of page 9. Show me where I mentioned Hurney. And even when he was involved, did I say one bad thing about him? You were going for that bias card again but you don’t want to go there again. 

  Why would I be mad when that was the point all along. Only one of us has a special feeling for SS. That’s you. Doesn’t mean your hypothetical is any more likely than mine. Did I jump on a random post that would have proven my point, without a doubt. No, I cast the same doubt you did. If I did that, why is this so important to me again? What’s my motivation? 

Now. Find where I said what you claim.....or sit down and let the adults talk. 

[Cpt slay a ho]

2 hours ago, Toomers said:

Show the post before the “different QBs and different GMs” comment you made trying to justify SS on consistent losing teams. Where is it? Why would I question you repeatedly about why they mattered if you didn’t bring them up. There are plenty of those too. Your post is on top of page 9. Show me where I mentioned Hurney. And even when he was involved, did I say one bad thing about him? You were going for that bias card again but you don’t want to go there again. 

  Why would I be mad when that was the point all along. Only one of us has a special feeling for SS. That’s you. Doesn’t mean your hypothetical is any more likely than mine. Did I jump on a random post that would have proven my point, without a doubt. No, I cast the same doubt you did. If I did that, why is this so important to me again? What’s my motivation? 

Now. Find where I said what you claim.....or sit down and let the adults talk. 

You’re not comprehending, you ask why not use the 3 previous years from 2013.....I said why would I use those years when there was a different gm and qb, hell even hc....don’t back pedal now....it’s clearly stated on page 9.  You questioned smith being on a consistent losing, when I said the panthers as an organization has been a consistently losing franchise, his production, which should be used in a argument on whether he should or shouldn’t have been released speaks for itself, which I’ve gone through several times. You argued character issues, production, and cap savings 

You have a theme of posting something than trying to weasel out of what you said even though it’s clealry posted and quoted. 

[beckersteen]

On 3/7/2019 at 11:49 AM, Smithers said:

Just as many as Dave.  0!

the 15-1 season had Hurney players driving that season.  

The difference is there weren't players like nakamora; or godfrey getting paid goat money

[Cpt slay a ho]

22 hours ago, Toomers said:

What’s a stretch? It was 6 years from the first fights until Lucas. The same 6 years between 2008 and 2014. He’s berated Cam, Clausen. many others. I could sell that in court much less a hypothetical.

 We were also 7-9,6-10, 2-14.his previous three years.If you want to go forward 3 years, let’s go back to teams he was a part of. Without 2013, his least productive in years, he doesn’t see the playoffs his last 5 years here. And that team won with DEF. Sure wasn’t #1 offense was it. He wasn’t ever part of the best team in the NFL, but he was part of the worst team in the NFL. And a historically bad offense. 

As clearly stated above you brought up 3 previous years in which one or more featured a different coach, gm, and qb. Why the hell would that play a factor into why smith was released in 2014 

[Toomers]

33 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

You’re not comprehending, you ask why not use the 3 previous years from 2013.....I said why would I use those years when there was a different gm and qb, hell even hc....don’t back pedal now....it’s clearly stated on page 9.  You questioned smith being on a consistent losing, when I said the panthers as an organization has been a consistently losing franchise, his production, which should be used in a argument on whether he should or shouldn’t have been released speaks for itself, which I’ve gone through several times. You argued character issues, production, and cap savings 

You have a theme of posting something than trying to weasel out of what you said even though it’s clealry posted and quoted. 

And yet no mention by ME of any GM or anything. Sure I brought those years up. We are speaking about his production and contributions to a winning team. And the truth is the better we(and Cam) got, the more Smith declines. So it’s very relevant. All his production was. Why wouldn’t they count towards evaluating him. 

 

27 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

As clearly stated above you brought up 3 previous years in which one or more featured a different coach, gm, and qb. Why the hell would that play a factor into why smith was released in 2014 

And still not one word about me mentioning different GMs, or Hurney. 

You can dance around it all you want. You have been dying to show Hurney bias as your usual go to move. But the facts are you brought him up. Repeatedly. Accusing me of something you did. I’ll still wait on that post you keep referring to.

[Smithers]

1 hour ago, beckersteen said:

The difference is there weren't players like nakamora; or godfrey getting paid goat money

You mean like Matt Kalil?

[Cpt slay a ho]

59 minutes ago, Toomers said:

And yet no mention by ME of any GM or anything. Sure I brought those years up. We are speaking about his production and contributions to a winning team. And the truth is the better we(and Cam) got, the more Smith declines. So it’s very relevant. All his production was. Why wouldn’t they count towards evaluating him. 

 

And still not one word about me mentioning different GMs, or Hurney. 

You can dance around it all you want. You have been dying to show Hurney bias as your usual go to move. But the facts are you brought him up. Repeatedly. Accusing me of something you did. I’ll still wait on that post you keep referring to.

You’re dancing, you still haven’t answer the question on why smith’s 3 previous years played a factor into why he was released in 2014.....this is the answer I’m seeking. What hurney bias lol it’s a simple statement you couldn’t comprehend, our football record without smith on them team....going back 3 previous seasons does nothing since he’s still on the team, the gm that released isn’t even hired yet....please elaborate or continue to tap dance around aimlessly 

[Toomers]

Just now, Cpt slay a ho said:

You’re dancing, you still haven’t answer the question on why smith’s 3 previous years played a factor into why he was released in 2014.....this is the answer I’m seeking. What hurney bias lol it’s a simple statement you couldn’t comprehend, our football record without smith on them team....going back 3 previous seasons does nothing since he’s still on the team, the gm that released isn’t even hired yet....please elaborate or continue to tap dance around aimlessly 

Just answered. Did you say we were 7-8-1,15-1,6-10 the three years after. Do you think that maybe when he was cut, that’s dG didn’t evaluate his last couple years? That’s freaking basic. He saw decline. We all did. So why not use them. We didn’t win more with him than without him. So why would he have won us a SB. 

  Why would I try to comprehend your fantasy of SS not being cut. 

   Where’s that post. When did I bring them up. I answered. Your turn Show me where I said it. You accused me. Just prove it with me saying anything close to it. You’re in serious deflection mode because you know it doesn’t exist. Just killing you that bias card is off the table. 

[Sean Payton's Vicodin]

Can we stop pretending Dave is anything more than a mediocre GM?

Just look at his drafts (Twin Towers) and his FA fugups (Kalil)

[Cpt slay a ho]

1 hour ago, Toomers said:

Just answered. Did you say we were 7-8-1,15-1,6-10 the three years after. Do you think that maybe when he was cut, that’s dG didn’t evaluate his last couple years? That’s freaking basic. He saw decline. We all did. So why not use them. We didn’t win more with him than without him. So why would he have won us a SB. 

  Why would I try to comprehend your fantasy of SS not being cut. 

   Where’s that post. When did I bring them up. I answered. Your turn Show me where I said it. You accused me. Just prove it with me saying anything close to it. You’re in serious deflection mode because you know it doesn’t exist. Just killing you that bias card is off the table. 

what decline? he finished 2014 with more yards than any wr on our team, even with only 7 games in 2015 finished 2nd in yards among our wr group, 2016 his final year finished 2nd compared to our wr group

you want to go back 3 years ? lets go 2010 14 games 544 yds, 2011 1394 yds, 2012 1174.......so what evaluation scale did he used based off these stats i'm dying to know because you question his production ???? 

serious deflection mode your back pedaling like a Olympic event, i posted your quote, than you say we didn't win more without him but want to use 3 previous seasons with him on the team still.....what logic is that explain, you use the years after he left to compare win/loss because...you know he's no longer on the team, hell we can use 2004 as well.

 

but you keep believing cutting smith for the measly 3 mil or so cap savings WHILE incurring 5 mil dead money was a smart move LOL

[Icege]

10 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

what decline? he finished 2014 with more yards than any wr on our team, even with only 7 games in 2015 finished 2nd in yards among our wr group, 2016 his final year finished 2nd compared to our wr group

you want to go back 3 years ? lets go 2010 14 games 544 yds, 2011 1394 yds, 2012 1174.......so what evaluation scale did he used based off these stats i'm dying to know because you question his production ???? 

serious deflection mode your back pedaling like a Olympic event, i posted your quote, than you say we didn't win more without him but want to use 3 previous seasons with him on the team still.....what logic is that explain, you use the years after he left to compare win/loss because...you know he's no longer on the team, hell we can use 2004 as well.

 

but you keep believing cutting smith for the measly 3 mil or so cap savings WHILE incurring 5 mil dead money was a smart move LOL

If Smitty was standing in the way of this being Cam's team, what would your move have been instead? (Genuine curiosity)

[Toomers]

9 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

what decline? he finished 2014 with more yards than any wr on our team, even with only 7 games in 2015 finished 2nd in yards among our wr group, 2016 his final year finished 2nd compared to our wr group

you want to go back 3 years ? lets go 2010 14 games 544 yds, 2011 1394 yds, 2012 1174.......so what evaluation scale did he used based off these stats i'm dying to know because you question his production ???? 

serious deflection mode your back pedaling like a Olympic event, i posted your quote, than you say we didn't win more without him but want to use 3 previous seasons with him on the team still.....what logic is that explain, you use the years after he left to compare win/loss because...you know he's no longer on the team, hell we can use 2004 as well.

 

but you keep believing cutting smith for the measly 3 mil or so cap savings WHILE incurring 5 mil dead money was a smart move LOL

And why during all that do you leave out the 2013 season where he declined. From the seasons before. With issues in the locker room, it was time to go. Him being an asset where he ran the show was over. And he’s way to proud to step down. 

 I don’t have to back peddle. But I’m done until you produce the post where “I tried to bring Hurney into this” For the 5th time deflecting from it, either show me or admit I didn’t do it. I’m tired of going in circles as you avoid it. Stay Hypocritical. 

[Cpt slay a ho]

6 minutes ago, Toomers said:

And why during all that do you leave out the 2013 season where he declined. From the seasons before. With issues in the locker room, it was time to go. Him being an asset where he ran the show was over. And he’s way to proud to step down. 

 I don’t have to back peddle. But I’m done until you produce the post where “I tried to bring Hurney into this” For the 5th time deflecting from it, either show me or admit I didn’t do it. I’m tired of going in circles as you avoid it. Stay Hypocritical. 

you have zero reading comprehension, we've already went over 2013, you specifically brought up hurneys name,  i said why does the previous 3 seasons matter when a different gm, coach and qb were in place for one season....i'm not going continue to do the work for you, you're being lazy and have done the same in another occasion

[Cpt slay a ho]

21 hours ago, Toomers said:

In a season he got hurt. Was two years older than his slightly above average last season with us. He was also responsible for a ton of OPIs that year. 

 Did he help when he was here? Of course. But would he have helped while subtracting players from a SB team with a #1 offense. How much could he help? Can he play LT. If you wanna dream...do it with context. 

Mans just give me a list of what to ignore about SS and what I should acknowledge. Does 2013 count because he got cut by DG. Do Hurney years count but not 3 years back. Or when can I start. I keep losing track of what I’m allowed to point out. 

You and I have debated Smiths character for pages because it is relevant to why he got cut. You think it’s ridiculous to believe he could have done something he’s done numerous times before. I don’t.

this is you specifically mentioning hurney with no mention by me beforehand.....have a seat and enjoy this crow