Poll / Discussion: Does this data affect your interest in signing McCoy?

[Icege]

2 hours ago, Lumps said:

Sound like a smart man

Isn't he still getting a chunk of change from the Bucs too? He's about to collect O_O

[SetfreexX]

Nothing about 2020 cap has anything to do with this signing, it's gonna be a one year offer, it won't have any baring on the future. This would be a ''now'' move. 

[Khyber53]

38 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Except that none of your concerns are reality. He hasn't dropped off. He had 6 sacks as a DT on a poor defense in 2018. He will only do better here on a defense that is much stouter than Tampa.  He hasn't been injured often  and he isn't that expensive at 11 mil a year. You can give him a ten year contract as long as you manage the guaranteed money. Kalil's annual contract wasn't the problem, the guaranteed money which created dead cap money if we cut him was. McCoy will get a 3 year deal somewhere. Hopefully here.

You've got to look at the age and you've got to look at that 2020 CBA issue as well. As to only registering 6 sacks on a poor defense, you could also postulate that as a star defensive player (and he has been one) the defensive scheming and play depended greatly on their man in the middle and he may have let his team down. I don't know because I wasn't privy to the coaches meetings.

I could be wrong about the guy, but it's always prudent to go slowly when there are question marks, especially when there are some artificial deadline pressures out there... training camp, June 1 cuts, other team visits. All of these things can push a team into buying big into not a lemon but someone who can't live up to the legend anymore. Every team has done it and we've had our fair share.

If he is the McCoy of years gone by, by all means he'd be great here. If he's half that, then a short, friendly contract is the way to go. If we have any, and I mean, any doubts, it'd be wise to pass on making an offer right away.

A lot of folks in the real world get talked into buying stuff that isn't as good as it is made out to be. The used car industry is a great example to use and you can draw your own parallels here.

[Icege]

15 minutes ago, stbugs said:

No. Dead cap isn’t new money for a player. Once cut, the only extra money a player would see must be guaranteed otherwise he’s out the door with no new money. The dead cap comes from any money already paid to the player that hasn’t hit the cap yet (mainly prorated bonuses). Also, teams rarely ever cut a player with guaranteed money left on the deal as that guaranteed money is usually years 1 and 2 of a bigger contract. 

I had thought I had seen mentioned that he still had a couple of million in bonus money owed to him over the next few seasons, but apparently those were roster bonuses and not signing bonuses (which, to my knowledge, still get paid out)).

[TheRumGone]

19 minutes ago, SetfreexX said:

Nothing about 2020 cap has anything to do with this signing, it's gonna be a one year offer, it won't have any baring on the future. This would be a ''now'' move. 

Gerald isn’t signing a one year deal. If that’s what we offer him it’s a waste of time. He’s probably gonna be looking for a 3 year deal. 

[panthers55]

2 hours ago, Khyber53 said:

You've got to look at the age and you've got to look at that 2020 CBA issue as well. As to only registering 6 sacks on a poor defense, you could also postulate that as a star defensive player (and he has been one) the defensive scheming and play depended greatly on their man in the middle and he may have let his team down. I don't know because I wasn't privy to the coaches meetings.

I could be wrong about the guy, but it's always prudent to go slowly when there are question marks, especially when there are some artificial deadline pressures out there... training camp, June 1 cuts, other team visits. All of these things can push a team into buying big into not a lemon but someone who can't live up to the legend anymore. Every team has done it and we've had our fair share.

If he is the McCoy of years gone by, by all means he'd be great here. If he's half that, then a short, friendly contract is the way to go. If we have any, and I mean, any doubts, it'd be wise to pass on making an offer right away.

A lot of folks in the real world get talked into buying stuff that isn't as good as it is made out to be. The used car industry is a great example to use and you can draw your own parallels here.

That is why you control the guaranteed money to hedge your bets. But 31 is old for a running back but not a DT. He hasn't been injury prone and has been to 6 probowls in 9 years.

The whole CBA thing shouldn't impact giving contracts out unless you worry the salary cap will be restricted or go backwards and owners aren't going to.let that happen. Players don't get paid if they don't have games so we should be fine there as well. There really isn't a big deal to prevent from signing him 

[MHS831]

 He just came from Baltimore.  Was nearly a Raven.  If he comes here, he could get in Poe's head.  Nevermore!

 

[Icege]

2 hours ago, stbugs said:

Roster bonuses (didn’t have one this year anyway) get paid out if he’s on the roster which he isn’t anymore. He had no more guaranteed money on his contract so Tampa is done paying him. 

I've understood how NFL contracts work, I was just clarifying that I had heard he was still owed bonus money but after looking at Spotrac I saw that they were likely confusing the roster with the signing bonus

[Icege]

1 minute ago, MHS831 said:

 He just came from Baltimore.  Was nearly a Raven.  If he comes here, he could get in Poe's head.  Nevermore!

 

[Bronn]

I chose other.

I wanted him to begin with, and that table makes me want him more.

It'll give us another contracted player to build around for a few years because, like others, I also think you're looking at at least a three year deal. 

Poe isn't here past 2021 anyways, and only he and Short are the DT's left on the roster signed past 2020. Getting McCoy signed to a multi-year deal would let us both get better now, and pad for the future a bit. We'd have our three sure starters in either 4-3 or 3-4, and could focus on the rotation behind them moving forward. What better trio to have to bring in young guys to groom under?

Get McCoy at least a 3 year deal averaging around 12M total per year and I'm happy. The longer the deal the better. Spread that cap hit out and work the guarantees/incentives so that it doesn't tie us down as much.