Panthers uneasy with Gano

[Mr. Scot]

31 minutes ago, Cracka McNasty said:

Statistically, Gano has been more accurate than Butker the past few years.

Having said that, Rivera has lost faith in him on numerous occasions in that same time frame. He only trotted him out for 1 50+ yard FG all season in 2017, and then effectively benched him against the Lions last year. 

The difference in the accuracy is negligible, and that slight accuracy increase isn't worth the price tag in my opinion. 

Would you rather pay 15 million for 95% accuracy, or 0.5 Million for 90% accuracy?

You get more bang for your buck with Butker. Even if he misses it, you might curse, but you won't be cursing the fact that he's the highest paid kicker in the league and missing it. 

Valid analysis

[Toomers]

35 minutes ago, Cracka McNasty said:

Statistically, Gano has been more accurate than Butker the past few years.

Having said that, Rivera has lost faith in him on numerous occasions in that same time frame. He only trotted him out for 1 50+ yard FG all season in 2017, and then effectively benched him against the Lions last year. 

The difference in the accuracy is negligible, and that slight accuracy increase isn't worth the price tag in my opinion. 

Would you rather pay 15 million for 95% accuracy, or 0.5 Million for 90% accuracy?

You get more bang for your buck with Butker. Even if he misses it, you might curse, but you won't be cursing the fact that he's the highest paid kicker in the league and missing it. 

I think missing 3 XPs, 4 seasons in a row, could go towards accuracy. 

  But the point is the main thing. They are close on everything but salary. 

[MasterAwesome]

I like how all of a sudden Rivera is an infallible coach whose judgment we trust so much and his coaching decisions are an indictment on his players and is used as ammunition against them. Not letting Gano attempt any 50+ yard is more of an indictment on Rivera than Gano imo.

That’s like holding it against Cam Newton the countless times Rivera decided to punt on 4th and 1 or 4th and inches instead of letting Cam get that easy yard.

“Well, Ron doesn’t trust Cam to get that yard...guess he’s just not a good short yardage quarterback”.

Or when Ron chooses to play *insert vet here* over *insert rookie here*.

”Well, Ron chose to start Torrey Smith over DJ Moore...guess DJ isn’t very good right now”.

[Carl Spackler]

I am the OG Gano hater. But I’m not sure if cutting him for Slye is the best move. It might be. I was far more in favor of it when Butker was the one we’d keep but in this instance, the jury is out a little bit (but Slye is making a great case for himself).

[Cdw]

To me, keeping Gano over Slye at this point just seems like it would be a hard headed move to try and prove it was right keeping him over Butker.  Go with the young cheap guy, even if he ends up sucking I won't miss Gano. 

[Ivan The Awesome]

6 hours ago, BrianS said:

Like I said in the other thread, I think the situation is playing out where we carry two kickers on the very first 53 and then immediately IR Gano with designation to return.  Slye does well, Gano stays on IR.  Slye crashes and burns, we bring Gano back when he's healthy and cut Slye.

If Slye does really well for the entire season, we then cut Gano next spring.

Until Slye does really well and another team that needs a kicker snatches him away from us because Hurney decides to keep gano instead of letting him go before hand. The whole Butker thing again essentially. 

[Mr. Scot]

12 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Gano could stay on IR all year. 

That outcome honestly wouldn't surprise me.

It would annoy me though, because again our staff will have proven so desperate to keep Gano around but they'd be willing to pay him a year for nothing.

[Basbear]

Gano has gotten more injuries than any other kicker in history, guy stays hurt at this point. He needs to tone down the lifting. Hurny had the fix, but picked gano over Bulter. 

[GoPanthers123]

If you have 2 good kickers, trade one for next years 4th or 5th.  We don’t have room on the roster for two kickers, they don’t need a back up because usually they don’t get injured. Usually.

[pantherclaw]

Passion for the kickers. Good stuff. 

[SBiii]

6 hours ago, Toomers said:

Let’s see what an unbiased judge has to say about this top 10 PK stuff. Maybe Gano is in the bottom 10. But look who’s there. 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/top-10-kickers-and-punters-in-nfl-justin-tuckers-at-the-top-and-heres-who-else-made-the-list-for-2019/amp/

    

5. Harrison Butker, Chiefs

Despite the fact that he's only been in the NFL for two years, Butker has already proven himself to be one of the best kickers in the league. In two seasons with the Chiefs, Butker has hit 89.9 percent of his field goals (62 of 69), which ranks in the top 10 for all kickers over the past two seasons. The Chiefs have been so impressed with Butker that they actually gave him a four-year extension this offseason even though he still had two years left on his rookie contract. Although Butker isn't at the top of our kicker rankings, he is at the top my personal ranking for best Twitter handle by an NFL player: ButtKicker7. 

Not relevant to the decision (you suggest) we are currently facing. 

[SBiii]

7 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Cost us having a younger, cheaper, equally reliable kicker who might have anchored us for the next decade.

Gano was already a case of choosing the short-term over the long term. If it turns out that he now can't go, that decision looks even worse (to the nth degree).

Sunk cost.  Stop whining about it.

Looking forward is all that matters at this point in time.

[SBiii]

6 hours ago, Toomers said:

I’m so glad you disagree with me. Its like a stamp of approval on any statement. 

Res ipsa loquitur.

[SBiii]

6 hours ago, Cracka McNasty said:

Statistically, Gano has been more accurate than Butker the past few years.

Having said that, Rivera has lost faith in him on numerous occasions in that same time frame.

The difference in the accuracy is negligible, and that slight accuracy increase isn't worth the price tag in my opinion. 

Would you rather pay 15 million for 95% accuracy, or 0.5 Million for 90% accuracy?

You get more bang for your buck with Butker.

Even if he misses it, you might curse, but you won't be cursing the fact that he's the highest paid kicker in the league and missing it. 

In order...

Yes he has.

Do you consider Riverboat to be a good decision maker?

The agreed to pay package is a sunk cost, no longer a factor.

Ditto.  Stop whining about a sunk cost.

False.  Go study the sunk cost concept.

Again, sunk cost, not relevant. 

I'm beginning to wonder about the mental acuity of...