Allen should not be QB2

[Varking]

Kyle Allen -

4/6 for 41 yards 0 TDs drives against the Steelers and one field goal drive that got blocked resulting in 0 points. 

7/11 for 76 yards and 0 TD drives against the Bears but he lead two drives to field goals. 

4/11 for 32 yards and 0 TD drives against the Bills and no field goal drives. 

3/6 for 16 yards and 0 TD drives against the Patriots and no field goal drives.

18 of 34 for a completion % of 52.94%. 

165 Passing Yards

0 Passing Touchdowns

29 rushing yards on 4 carries.

3 field goal drives resulting in 6 points. 

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Will Grier - 

4/8 for 44 and 2 rushes for 5 yards vs pats

10/19 for 74 yards and no rushes vs bills

9 of 16 for 77 and a td and 1 carry for 20 yards vs bears

11/18 for 189 and a td and 1 carry for 5 yards vs the Steelers

34/61 passing for 55.73% completion %.

384 yards

4 rushes for 30

29 points from drives of TDs or field goals.

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Taylor Heinicke

7/10 for 89 yards and 2 TDs and 1 carry for 5 yards vs the Steelers resulting in 15 points.

4/9 for 35 yards and 0 TDs and 2 carries for 10 yards vs the Bears resulting in 7 points on a scoring drive.

8/12 for 78 yards and 1 TD and 1 carry for 4 yards vs the Bills. Also lead a two point conversion for 8 points scored.

DNP vs the Patriots

19/31 passing for 61.29% completion %.

202 passing yards

4 carries for 19 yards

30 points from drives of TDs or Field Goals

 

My conclusion is that if the Panthers lose Cam, we are done for the year. But, if we lose Cam it is far more exciting to watch Heinicke and Grier play than Allen. Allen got to run with our best preseason squad for basically four games and put up a combined 6 points while he was in the games. One field goal got blocked but even then you could say he should have put up 10 points. Grier and Heini both completed a higher percent of their passes, for more yards, they were basically a wash rushing the ball, but the one consistent of the preason was that Allen did nothing to score. If I had to pick a depth chart today knowing that Grier is absolutely going to be the #3 based on where we drafted him my chart is Cam > Heinicke > Grier > Allen. 

If its actually supposed to be a competition and the objective of the offense is to put points up on the board then Allen was by far the worst at it of all three. Bring on the hate but Taylor should be the 2 going into the season. 

 

[Carl Spackler]

Oh hell you bout to get flamed lol

[WarPanthers89]

What about the stats from all practices and training camp? Pre season games are a glorified practice and I trust the coaches opinion on who will be the best backup for the team. Ron and Marty’s job is on the line, I doubt they take the backup qb selection lightly. 

[Varking]

2 minutes ago, WarPanthers89 said:

What about the stats from all practices and training camp? Pre season games are a glorified practice and I trust the coaches opinion on who will be the best backup for the team. Ron and Marty’s job is on the line, I doubt they take the backup qb selection lightly. 

This is a completely fair take but the issue of Allen vs Heini is that we know Allen almost exclusively has practiced with higher tier players than Heini. How can you judge them fairly then? 

[Varking]

5 minutes ago, Carl Spackler said:

Oh hell you bout to get flamed lol

Knew it as soon as I saw that we only scored 6 points while Allen was in the entire preseason and decided to make this thread lol

[Mr. Scot]

Said it elsewhere: You can't accept the "we're screwed without Cam" take if you're Ron Rivera or Marty Hurney.

They may genuinely be screwed, but Lord knows they have to try to do something.

[Daddy_Uncle]

Because we needed another one of these threads. I'm almost positive that we will pick up a vet to be our #2

[Mage]

If we all agree that all three aren't good, then I'm not sure why it matters that much. 

Like if knock on wood, Cam goes down, then personally I couldn't care less who starts.  

[Varking]

1 minute ago, Daddy_Uncle said:

Because we needed another one of these threads. I'm almost positive that we will pick up a vet to be our #2

My thread was based on facts. Not just opinion. I could post the stats in another thread but it would get buried and nobody would see how poor our offense has been with Allen in vs the others. 

[WarPanthers89]

1 minute ago, Varking said:

This is a completely fair take but the issue of Allen vs Heini is that we know Allen almost exclusively has practiced with higher tier players than Heini. How can you judge them fairly then? 

Heini is a vet who practiced against higher tier players last year, and we know what we have with him. Allen has the higher ceiling and has grown a lot from year 1 to year 2 

[WarPanthers89]

Just now, Varking said:

My thread was based on facts. Not just opinion. I could post the stats in another thread but it would get buried and nobody would see how poor our offense has been with Allen in vs the others. 

Facts about pre season game stats. If that’s the case Cam should have been benched his rookie year because he looked very rough in pre season. 

[Varking]

2 minutes ago, WarPanthers89 said:

Facts about pre season game stats. If that’s the case Cam should have been benched his rookie year because he looked very rough in pre season. 

Who was his competition?

[Shocker]

Cut them all and pick up Cardale Jones (or offer a later pick for him).  He looked really good last night.

[Varking]

We are two drafts away from Justin Fields/Trevor Lawrence. Just pray Cam makes it healthy through then.