The Ryan / Rivera Method

[Mr. Scot]

We've discussed this briefly before, but it's relevant right now...

Back when he coached the Eagles, Buddy Ryan had Randall Cunningham as his quarterback. At the time, Cunningham was the most dynamic athlete he NFL had ever seen. His highlights were insane. He could run as well as any halfback in the league but could also pass as well.  Opposing DCs were tearing their hair out trying to figure out the best way to defend against him.

Pairing that kind of offensive talent with a defensive guy like Buddy Ryan might have seemed odd, but Ryan was actually happy to have him.

Here's how Ryan saw it...

Buddy Ryan believed primarily in his defense, but saw Cunningham as a facilitator of sorts. Ryan's take was that all he needed was for Cunningham to make two or three big plays a game.  The points those plays produced would be enough, and Ryan's defense would take care of the rest.

Unfortunately for both Ryan and Cunningham, that philosophy never produced a title.Ryan's Eagles never even made it to the Super Bowl. And over time, the punishment Cunningham  took playing his style of football started to wear on him.  Eventually, the Eagles parted ways with both Ryan and Cunningham. Neither made it back to glory in their future endeavors either.

Any of this sound familiar?

If you know Ron Rivera's history, then you know that one of his primary mentors as a coach was Buddy Ryan.

Rivera has never stated that he views Cam Newton the same way Ryan did Cunningham, but it's not exactly a huge stretch to suggest similarities in how the coached used their dynamic star players.

Does this strike you as a valid methodology or has it served to waste Newton's talents the same way Ryan wasted Cunningham?

[Darvinsun]

Cam should have never been coached by Ron Rivera. Period! Cam is done. All due to sunken boat Ron Rivera. They don't mind sacrificing the QB and taking the credit when it's good. When it's bad step right up QB get crucified in the media.

[klumme]

Out new coach Riley would have made wonders with a Newton in his prime. Sadly he comes in 7 years to late.

[MHS831]

5 minutes ago, Darvinsun said:

Cam should have never been coached by Ron Rivera. Period!

Coached and Rivera in the same sentence--hope the past tense becomes the norm.

Scot---this makes sense---Rivera is a one-trick pony.  He only knows what he was taught---he is not a visionary like Bill B. or Payton.  If we do not know this, the other coaches do.  He has been weighed and put on the shelf. 

[Jmac]

2 minutes ago, Darvinsun said:

Cam should have never been coached by Ron Rivera.

Wasted years that Cam can never get back. I blame the entire organization for this, from previous owner on down the line. R.R rode the horse as long as he could...Cam extended R R's tenure here by years at his own expense.

Looking at thirty plus now, Cam's glory days may be over. He is just not a pocket passer and it looks like his run and gun days are behind him. Good job by the a-hole coaching staff (from R.R down)...you fugged up big time.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[JawnyBlaze]

Obviously not a valid method. Ron shoulda been focused on his defense and brought in an OC worth a poo from the beginning to run the O and kept his lame ass “keep the game close” mentality out of it. Instead, most of Cam’s career was wasted under Shula. And Ron’s hamstringing the offense with his game management (both clock and slowing down the offense to keep the game close) has wasted Cam’s career. Hopefully there’s more to be written, I’m not writing him off after two games, but I can’t deny Cam is showing signs of a broken player. 

[Darvinsun]

1 minute ago, Jmac said:

Wasted years that Cam can never get back. I blame the entire organization for this, from previous owner on down the line. R.R rode the horse as long as he could...Cam extended R R's tenure here by years at his own expense.

Looking at thirty plus now, Cam's glory days may be over. He is just not a pocket passer and it looks like his run and gun days are behind him. Good job by the a-hole coaching staff (from R.R down)...you fugged up big time.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Coached is an overstatement. I meant associated with Ron Rivera. This is a new age, dinosaurs are just fossils...hint hint. Cam was a new generation QB paired with fossil fuel.

[Sgt Schultz]

I have thought about the similarities.  If you asked Ryan about his offense, you would have had to explain it was the group who lined up opposite his defense in practice.  His response to your question would have been, "we have Randall Cunningham."

I don't think Rivera needs the explanation of what an offense is, but I think his response would be "we have Cam Newton."  These days he might add "and CMC."  Shula would have responded that way.

Cunningham had Keith Jackson, Cam has had Olsen. 

[Mr. Scot]

13 minutes ago, JawnyBlaze said:

Obviously not a valid method. Ron shoulda been focused on his defense and brought in an OC worth a poo from the beginning to run the O and kept his lame ass “keep the game close” mentality out of it. Instead, most of Cam’s career was wasted under Shula. And Ron’s hamstringing the offense with his game management (both clock and slowing down the offense to keep the game close) has wasted Cam’s career. Hopefully there’s more to be written, I’m not writing him off after two games, but I can’t deny Cam is showing signs of a broken player. 

I'm not so sure Rivera's evaluation of coaching quality is appreciably superior to his skills at evaluating players.

[Jmac]

Let's not forget about Mike Shula being Cam's QB coach and then OC. He is currently helping the Giants trip down the toilet. He also rode Cam's ability, along with the Shula name. He didn't have the knowledge (nor the resume) to be a NFL coach....yet they left it up to him to develop Cam.

 

 

 

 

 

[tiger7_88]

51 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Does this strike you as a valid methodology or has it served to waste Newton's talents the same way Ryan wasted Cunningham?

Blatantly rhetorical question, dude.

You should have tried to hide it better. 

I award you no points and may God have mercy on your soul.

[ClawOn]

16 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'm not so sure Rivera's evaluation of coaching quality is appreciably superior to his skills at evaluating players.

But he won close games when we had an overwhelmingly more talented team than our opponents! Coach of the year!

[JawnyBlaze]

17 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'm not so sure Rivera's evaluation of coaching quality is appreciably superior to his skills at evaluating players.

Oh no doubt it’s as bad or worse. Making Shula OC is all the evidence one needs to realize that. 

[Mr. Scot]

23 minutes ago, ClawOn said:

But he won close games when we had an overwhelmingly more talented team than our opponents! Coach of the year!

Two time Coach of the Year.

Of course, so was that guy who whipped us this past Thursday.