Cold Hard Facts : Ron and Norv since 2018 are 10-3 When Going Into a Game With a Healthy QB

[Pantha-kun]

• 6-2 first half of 2018 with a HEALTHY Cam (before TJ Watt Hit if you want to use that as the flashpoint where Cam wasn't the same afterwards) 
• 0-6 after that with an INJURED Cam
• 0-1 with a HEALTHY HEINEKE/ALLEN (they were healthy when the game started)
• 1-0 with a HEALTHY ALLEN (healthy when the game started)    
• 0-2 2019 with INJURED Cam
• 3-0 2019 with HEALTHY ALLEN

Do the math, this means Ron/Norv are  10-3 when going into a game with a healthy Quarterback , and he's 0-8 going into games with an injured QB.

I'm pretty sure his system is working and translating to wins when there's a healthy QB to mostly be a game manager and hit key throws, and CMC to run it down the other teams gullet. That's my point. 

 

[jfra78]

Norv is the head coach?

[Pantha-kun]

Just now, jfra78 said:

Norv is the head coach?

I used Norvs name b/c he started as the OC at the start of 2018 but yea, you could put Riveras name there too.

[*FreeFua*]

Outside of a couple play calls (some which will be forced by Ron) I’ve thought Norv has done a really good job. 

Its Rivera’s game management that’s the biggest issue 

[jfra78]

I also believe Norv has done an outstanding job as O coordinator.  Much better than his predecessor 

[Pantha-kun]

The key stats are 0-8 with with injured Cam.. he HAS to be absolutely 100% before he steps on the field again. Because these wins stacking up in his absence are piling on evidence that we were losing primarily b/c Cam trying to play through injury.

Norv's system fails massively when you have a QB that cant make key throws. In his system the QB doesnt have to make ALL the throws but the key throws are needed to win.

All the QB really needs to do is be a game manager who can make a few timely passes and not throw picks. B/C our Defense and running game are good enough otherwise that we dont need the QB to be otherworldly to win. 

[BrianS]

7 minutes ago, Pantha-kun said:

All the QB really needs to do is be a game manager who can make a few timely passes and not throw picks. B/C our Defense and running game are good enough otherwise that we dont need the QB to be otherworldly to win. 

Sounds suspiciously like the 2015 Broncos . . . 

[MVPccaffrey]

Elite numbers.  And we're winning now with a game manager.  That's not easy to do in this league.

[SBiii]

15 minutes ago, MVPccaffrey said:

And we're winning now with a game manager. 

***On 10/2/2019 at 12:17 AM, 332nd said:

"Game manager" is a QB who has a few games a season where they light it up, but for most games they just don't turn the ball over, have rather pedestrian stats, but they keep the defense off balance enough that they usually come out with a win. 

Basically they don't carry the team, they just make sure everyone does their job.***

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Another guy provided that as the proper definition of a "game manager".

Sounds like they "light it up" 3 to 5 times per year and come out with the win....let's call it 4 wins while "lighting it up".

Then they "usually come out with the win" in the other 12 games...."usually" implies a lot more than 50% but in order to be conservative let's call it 7 wins with "no turnovers, pedestrian stats, keeping the D off balance", etc....

....adds up to 11-5.

That sounds fantastic....implies playoffs just about every year, let's call it 6-of-7 years....

....sign me up for that --- folks I know who are Seahawks fans tell me it's a terrific state of being!

 

[ecu88]

48 minutes ago, BrianS said:

Sounds suspiciously like the 2015 Broncos . . . 

[Paa Langfart]

Too bad Ron wasn't a smart enough coach to stop trotting an unhealthy qb out there on his own.  

[BrianS]

1 hour ago, SBiii said:

 

....adds up to 11-5.

That sounds fantastic....implies playoffs just about every year, let's call it 6-of-7 years....

....sign me up for that --- folks I know who are Seahawks fans tell me it's a terrific state of being!

 

I too would like to sign up for 11-5 every year.  That's entering elite territory tbh.  Maybe you slide to 9-7 on a bad year, maybe you go 13-3 in a good year.  This sounds like a team that could really keep a fan base engaged.

[mc52beast]

1 hour ago, SBiii said:

***On 10/2/2019 at 12:17 AM, 332nd said:

"Game manager" is a QB who has a few games a season where they light it up, but for most games they just don't turn the ball over, have rather pedestrian stats, but they keep the defense off balance enough that they usually come out with a win. 

Basically they don't carry the team, they just make sure everyone does their job.***

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Another guy provided that as the proper definition of a "game manager".

Sounds like they "light it up" 3 to 5 times per year and come out with the win....let's call it 4 wins while "lighting it up".

Then they "usually come out with the win" in the other 12 games...."usually" implies a lot more than 50% but in order to be conservative let's call it 7 wins with "no turnovers, pedestrian stats, keeping the D off balance", etc....

....adds up to 11-5.

That sounds fantastic....implies playoffs just about every year, let's call it 6-of-7 years....

....sign me up for that --- folks I know who are Seahawks fans tell me it's a terrific state of being!

 

Is Allen good enough to do anything in the playoffs against the best defenses in the League? He’s definitely not Russell Wilson

[SBiii]

1 hour ago, BrianS said:

I too would like to sign up for 11-5 every year.  That's entering elite territory tbh.  Maybe you slide to 9-7 on a bad year, maybe you go 13-3 in a good year.  This sounds like a team that could really keep a fan base engaged.

What you describe is exactly what Russ Wilson has produced since being picked in the 3rd round of the 2012 NFL draft.  Russ wasn't blessed with excessive size, or strength....can't overpower anyone....

....but he can damn sure manage a football game.

(PS...NOT putting Kyle in Russ's category...Kyle has a long way to go but I think his ceiling is high.)