Mike Freeman speculates on Cam Newton...

[LinvilleGorge]

20 minutes ago, Bartin said:

There was a lot of talk that the Eagles should have traded Wentz and kept Foles.

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2019/01/nfl-carson-wentz-trade-eagles-nick-foles-jaguars-steelers-giants-broncos-raiders

https://www.fanduel.com/theduel/posts/6271251-5-most-realistic-trade-destinations-for-carson-wentz

https://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/sports/local/columns/eagles-should-keep-foles-trade-wentz-weinberg/article_030a4003-42aa-5b1d-aaaa-3a1669ff0340.html

https://www.crossingbroad.com/2019/01/skip-bayless-says-the-eagles-should-trade-carson-wentz.html

https://thesidelineobserver.com/2019/01/10/why-the-eagles-should-trade-carson-wentz/

People forget that the media's primary job is to get exposure for themselves and their employers to convert into ad revenue. The best way to do that is to drive controversy. It's why the "news" media as a whole has pretty much turned into pure and utter dog poo.

[iamhubby1]

6 minutes ago, stbugs said:

No chance anyone on the team wants this in any way. That's what some people on this forum want. There's not a coach, FO guy or team member that wants Allen to have a bad game (likely a loss) to make it easier to put Cam in. I am sure that even though deep down Cam may feel underappreciated (video made me feel that a bit), I don't think he'd even want Allen to lose to get the job back. If he's healthy, I assume Cam feels like he'd win the job back.

 

    I did not say that's what we want to happen. I said they could HOPE happens. Nobody wants to replace Kyle anymore. But, when Cam gets healthy, we have to find out where he is at. If Kyle hits a rough spot it gives the FO plausible deniability to bring in Cam.

 

    Sooner or later, Cam is going to be healthy. If Kyle is still playing wel, it is almost sanctimonious to put in Cam. The only way Cam sees the field? Is if Kyle hits the skids.

 

    Or I could be totally wrong.

[Bartin]

8 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

People forget that the media's primary job is to get exposure for themselves and their employers to convert into ad revenue. The best way to do that is to drive controversy. It's why the "news" media as a whole has pretty much turned into pure and utter dog poo.

Definitely. They do this with everyone too. Except Brees though I’m sure you could find that scorching take out there somewhere too if you really tried even though Teddy has been bad. They even talked about it with Jimmy G and Nick Mullens when he had that one good game in prime time last year against a really bad Raiders team. Mason Rudolph had a pretty good half when Ben went out and everyone was ready to retire Ben.

[iamhubby1]

19 minutes ago, Saca312 said:

All honesty, I have doubts on that too.

Today's game changed my view on Kyle Allen a little bit, and I think he's a fine starter. He showed he can improve from past mistakes (zero fumbles when sacked, better pocket movement aside a few blips) and he's getting there. I don't think he'd be what we want in terms of leading us in clutch situations against playoff teams.

Cam Newton has history and play-making ability that Kyle Allen simply doesn't have. And that's okay.

My concerns with the "play Kyle Allen until he loses" mentality is just simply the idea of losing. We know he won't be reaching Cam Newton's ability anytime soon, and it makes no sense to sit a better player and ride out someone who's still working it out.

That's why imo, it would make sense to put Cam Newton in when healthy period, no matter if we haven't lost yet. Cam's ability will help transcend the team in general.

I stand by the belief he literally just needs to heal up his plant foot. His velocity is there. The only he can't throw deep deep is due to not being able to step into his throws, hence the underthrow to Samuel vs. Tampa. But once he can step into it, this team can be very special.

And if he's not healthy? We know now that Kyle Allen can do enough to win us games and show improvement. He's a solid fallback plan.

 

    I got carried away for a moment there myself. I was letting my excitement over Kyle's play cloud my judgement. When Cam gets healthy, this is his team. I would think that people would get that. A HEALTHY Cam Newton makes this team dangerous. A HEALTHY Kyle Allen makes this team competitive.

 

    Give me dangerous every time.

 

[Mr. Scot]

Regardless of what the team ultimately decides, there is one thing I absolutely hope they do...

Once you make your decision, stick with it.

If you choose Newton and he struggles, don't be quick to pull him. Let him play through it.

Ditto with Allen. The "play him till he sucks" idea is terrible. Every young quarterback goes through bad games, even the best of them.  Imagine having pulled a young Brady or Brees just because they struggled.

Hell, the Chargers let Brees go, and although they got a decent replacement, Brees has a Super Bowl ring and the Chargers don't.

Whoever you decide to start, have patience! 

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Regardless of what the team ultimately decides, there is one thing I absolutely hope they do...

Once you make your decision, stick with it.

If you choose Newton and he struggles, don't be quick to pull him. Let him play through it.

Ditto with Allen. The "play him till he sucks" idea is terrible. Every young quarterback goes through bad games, even the best of them.  Imagine having pulled a young Brady or Brees just because they struggled.

Hell, the Chargers let Brees go, and although they got a decent replacement, Brees has a Super Bowl ring and the Chargers don't.

Whoever you decide to start, have patience! 

If the Chargers had Tom Brady they'd still be ringless. Archie Manning was right about that organization.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

If the Chargers had Tom Brady they'd still be ringless. Archie Manning was right about that organization.

The Spanos family have been terrible owners.

[Cpt slay a ho]

30 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Except Rivera isn't saying those things.

And the reports are that behind closed doors, questions are being asked.

Hell, even Steve Smith is asking the question.

But why are questions being asked? I think everyone’s jumping the gun on the situation.

as far as Rivera, I don’t know how he prefers to handle situations like this, don’t know if he’s avoiding questions ect but we’ll find out 

being pressured by the media to make a decision that has no immediate impact on there livelihood is/can be disastrous   

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, Cpt slay a ho said:

But why are questions being asked? I think everyone’s jumping the gun on the situation.

as far as Rivera, I don’t know how he prefers to handle situations like this, don’t know if he’s avoiding questions ect but we’ll find out 

being pressured by the media to make a decision that has no immediate impact on there livelihood is/can be disastrous   

I've never heard Rivera say anything other than "Cam Newton is our starter"...until now.

Why are the questions being asked? That's easy. We're winning and Kyle Allen looks good. Plus he's younger and infinitely less expensive than Newton.

(and yes, those things will factor into the ultimate decision if Allen continues as he has)

[WoahW]

When Newton is healthy you play him, it’s the only way you know for sure about next year. People are quick to forget even last year how he was playing. You play Newton and if it goes south after multiple games you have your answer. That simple 

[Car123]

I'm afraid that we'll end up with another 2010 situation next season.

[SBiii]

28 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

But why are questions being asked?

Kyle Bailey used an interesting descriptor on Riverboat after the press conference he had when the news first broke that Cam was not in practice (the Tuesday after the Buc's game)...

...he described ol' River as a "human meat shield for the organization".

So, back to your question...

...questions are being asked because there's a gigantic void of information, and, the pablum that does get spooned out by Rivera is a a gigantic pile of steaming dung.

Let's look at how the Saints have handled the Drew Brees injury....

....clarified it upon happening > told us Drew stayed behind in LA to see a hand specialist > a few days later told us Drew was flying back to LA for the operation > a day or two later told us Drew couldn't travel to Seattle to be on the sideline because the surgeon wanted him to stay put > not long after that told us Drew intended to be on the sideline of all games going forward > gave us an expected timeline for Drew's return based on how the Doctor advised them > Brees went on record with a more optimistic return date based on his own personal feelings > they released a video of Drew who was already throwing an undersized football.....

....questions aren't being asked there because it's crystal clear what is going on with Drew Brees.

With Cam Newton.....it's one big smokescreen....

.....people see smoke and think there must be a fire....

[iamhubby1]

12 minutes ago, WoahW said:

When Newton is healthy you play him, it’s the only way you know for sure about next year. People are quick to forget even last year how he was playing. You play Newton and if it goes south after multiple games you have your answer. That simple 

 

    The first thing that has to happen is for Cam to get healthy. Until that happens, we are just wasting our breathes.

 

    After that the first two steps are to find out if he can still play, or not. Depending on where the team is at, it may be tough to get him on the field. Are we still winning? Are we in the Playoff race? How is Kyle playing? 

 

    IMO, if your future HOF QB is healthy, prepared, and ready. He absolutely gets his job back. If he plays well. There will be great rejoicing. 

 

    Once Cam is healthy. That is when the fun will begin.

[Pantha-kun]

3 minutes ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

    The first thing that has to happen is for Cam to get healthy. Until that happens, we are just wasting our breathes.

 

    After that the first two steps are to find out if he can still play, or not. Depending on where the team is at, it may be tough to get him on the field. Are we still winning? Are we in the Playoff race? How is Kyle playing? 

 

    IMO, if your future HOF QB is healthy, prepared, and ready. He absolutely gets his job back. If he plays well. There will be great rejoicing. 

 

    Once Cam is healthy. That is when the fun will begin.

You and me both know that if cam was inserted back into the lineup in the middle of a 8-0 kyle allen win streak and cam proceeded to continue his losing streak, absolute chaos would erupt.