Kyle Allen Has Shown Enough

[Khyber53]

Just now, electro's horse said:

yeah turning someone into a human battering ram tends to lead to those 

No doubt. It is the NFL, though, and players are (hopefully) used where their talents lend them. Had coaches NOT sent in running plays for Cam, and used him in those short yardage situations, Cam wouldn't be the legend he is and we'd be sitting there asking why they weren't using him to his ability.

A sad reality of the NFL is that the game injures, many times severely, sometimes irreparably, every player that makes it to this level. The vast majority of them never get the attention of a single fan or sell a jersey with their name on it. Cam was injured, multiple times, playing the game and making his career. It happens and to think otherwise is completely pollyanna-ish, something you are far from prone to being.

And let's not forget, the possible death blow to Cam's career wasn't coached by Ron Rivera, but by Bill Belichick sending a nine man jailbreak blitz against Cam during a frikkin' pre-season game. 

[1of10Charnatives]

1 minute ago, Khyber53 said:

They did develop Cam. Besides him, this has been their first chance to do so. Their first one was the number one pick in the draft and they did wonders with him, even went to the Superb Owl before injuries began to take their toll. The current one, he's come from just the opposite start: undrafted free agent. First season (for all intents and purposes) and he shows some promise. It did take Cam four years to get to the Superb Owl, Allen may need the same.

Yeah, there's been some wizardry here and RR has developed a QB in house. So...

I think the job they did with Cam is debatable. I’m inclined toward the view that Cam’s future at the relatively young qb age of 30 is iffy in part because the coaching staff continued to incorporate running plays for Cam as a significant portion of the offense past his first couple of seasons instead of insisting he evolve toward more of a pocket passer over time.

If Cam ends up having a shortened career relative what to one normally sees out of MVP qb’s, I think part of the responsibility for it can be laid at Ron’s feet. Same goes for if the post 30 portion of his career is at a much lower performance level to the rest.

[raz]

i think kyle can be pretty damn good with some decent protection.  decent protection is getting harder and harder to come by in the league.   

[Pantherzack179812]

Legit argument. Healthy Cam at 31 is not 2015 Cam. I could argue Kyle Allen with 21 million in offensive lineman is better then Cam Newton with this same offensive line except a year older.

[blackcat]

I don't care who plays QB as long as it means we're winning.  That said, Romo did have a lot of good things to say about Allen, and I, uh, think he might have some insight that all of us don't have.  

[TheRed]

Unfortunately at the end of the day with the game on the line we couldn't seal the deal and had to rely on our kicker on the road against our arch division rival. Those are the moments that separate playoff teams from teams playing for nothing come December.

An extra 20 million in cap space becomes pretty moot when you can't put together a game winning drive.

[Khyber53]

15 minutes ago, TheRed said:

Unfortunately at the end of the day with the game on the line we couldn't seal the deal and had to rely on our kicker on the road against our arch division rival. Those are the moments that separate playoff teams from teams playing for nothing come December.

An extra 20 million in cap space becomes pretty moot when you can't put together a game winning drive.

And, without a doubt, you are right about this.

[Jeremy Igo]

He has shown enough for the opportunity to compete for the starting job in 2020.

[NAS]

Impressive performance against a tough defense and even when under pressure. Those deep throws to DJ were superb!

[top dawg]

59 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

Behind that offensive line, Brady would be booed out of this town. It is sad how many people do not see it.

Cam would have been injured behind this line, but this is not about Cam--it has not been about Cam for a while, but some of you hate Allen because you are latched onto one of our (probably former) QB's testicles.  That hurts your vision because all you can see is whatever one sees when latched onto a testicle.

I see Allen as a player who is slowly improving and bounces back.  I do not see pouting.  Here is the bottom line:  When Allen is protected, he is pretty good.  When he is not playing from behind, he is pretty good.

Build the OL and the defense, and Allen is a starting QB.  Judging a 23-year old who has about 2.5 seconds to throw is silly--if you think the problem is QB, then duh.

Romo (I know many of you think you know more than him, but I hated him as a player, love him as an announcer) saw things in Allen and pointed them out.  He is pretty intuitive.  I will trust his eye over some blind hugger's view.

 

 

The GOAT has consistently been a top 2 or 3 at getting the ball out of his hands. This year, with a suspect line, he's 7th. He makes his O-line look a lot better than it really is. I don't know why more people don't realize this.

Great QBs make good decisions on a consistent basis, and unless they have otherworldly mobility, the ball leaves their hands quickly. Over the course of his career, the ball has come out under 2.5 seconds.

[cmichd]

On 11/10/2019 at 8:10 PM, Jus Rob said:

Damn you get 20 mill to lose a game I could do that for half the price 

I don't think they will give him 20 million yet.  I think he has to grow some more but he would be a bargain at 5 to 6 million a year for 3 to 4 years with option on the 3rd or 4th year.

[top dawg]

The same people who are advocating that Allen be the future starter now, are the same ones that will be crying when he shats the bed.

One game, which was arguably his best game, doesn't mean he's the heir apparent. 

Consistency means everything for a QB! How about we see more of yesterday (which wasn't perfect) before we get drunk off basically one game?

 

[PantherWake]

Yeah shown enough to be a backup

[CanadianCat]

@Jeremy Igo said it correctly in his other post. Allen has done enough to earn the right to compete for the starting spot next year.