Any votes for continuity?

[SBiii]

1 hour ago, Tbe said:

You’re talking about a guy who paid $43 mill for the house of an old boss (who passed him over for promotion), just to tear it down and build something 2x bigger on the same lot. All accounts say he did it to show his old boss who the real winner was.

He’s got 12 Billion. What He doesn’t have Is a ring. 

Exactly.

Any profits the Panthers might generate on an annual basis wouldn't even constitute lunch money for David Tepper. 

[SBiii]

1 hour ago, PootieNunu said:

Oh yeah he really won in that deal, that further shows he is an idiot. Let me pay 43 million for a house, pay even more to demolish it, and then pay again to build a new house, but poverty still exists. 

Meanwhile his old boss pocketed 43 million and laughed at him all the way to the bank.

The value of the land was $43 million, with or without the house.

And BTW, it was the boss's wife who pocketed the $43M, she retained the house in a divorce.

Do you really believe David Tepper "is an idiot".

My advice for you.....patience fella.....this game is still in the top of the 1st inning.

[SBiii]

dup

[mc52beast]

The only way I would be ok with Ron and Marty 2020 is if(yes, I know we won’t) we make the playoffs. They would be doing this with a UDFA at qb. Not sure it’s ever been done in League history.

And while I again say I don’t believe we will make the playoffs if we did I can pretty much guarantee you Tepper would keep them around.

[Khyber53]

2 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Saw this mentioned several times in the thread asking how long you could handle losing so I thought I'd go ahead and pose the question.

Is there anybody left who would be okay going into next year with no changes to the coaching and front office? Basically, continuing with Ron Rivera and Marty Hurney still running the show together.

If yes, make your argument as to why.

If no, ditto.

I'd keep them both, depending on how the rest of this season plays out. Win four to six of the last six games, and they'll have pulled off a miracle with a beat up team that only has the faintest hope at a chance of the post season. If you can get that, then you stick with who you have and roll forward.

Let's face it, though, that's a tall order to fill and we've got a murderer's row of opponents ahead of us. Short of the Redskins, every one of these teams is dangerous... even Atlanta as we've seen.

Literally, if they can pull a winning season out of this mess of injuries then they've saved their jobs. It would show they can coach past the problems and that they have not lost the team or its desire to win.

That's the best case I can make for Rivera and Hurney staying, but it's putting a lot of weight on their performance. I really don't have much faith in them succeeding, though. The loss in Green Bay left me with hope. Atlanta and the overall lack of fire for the team just stomped most of my hope out.

 

[Mr. Scot]

7 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

I'd keep them both, depending on how the rest of this season plays out. Win four to six of the last six games, and they'll have pulled off a miracle with a beat up team that only has the faintest hope at a chance of the post season. If you can get that, then you stick with who you have and roll forward.

Let's face it, though, that's a tall order to fill and we've got a murderer's row of opponents ahead of us. Short of the Redskins, every one of these teams is dangerous... even Atlanta as we've seen.

Literally, if they can pull a winning season out of this mess of injuries then they've saved their jobs. It would show they can coach past the problems and that they have not lost the team or its desire to win.

That's the best case I can make for Rivera and Hurney staying, but it's putting a lot of weight on their performance. I really don't have much faith in them succeeding, though. The loss in Green Bay left me with hope. Atlanta and the overall lack of fire for the team just stomped most of my hope out.

I usually see you being optimistic even when nobody else is.

If you're losing your optimism, that's a bad sign.

[PootieNunu]

56 minutes ago, SBiii said:

The value of the land was $43 million, with or without the house.

And BTW, it was the boss's wife who pocketed the $43M, she retained the house in a divorce.

Do you really believe David Tepper "is an idiot".

My advice for you.....patience fella.....this game is still in the top of the 1st inning.

He is obviously not he has 12 billion in net worth just frustrated with the Team, I dont really watch other teams play so the Panthers is all I got.

[Prowler2k18]

3 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Saw this mentioned several times in the thread asking how long you could handle losing so I thought I'd go ahead and pose the question.

Is there anybody left who would be okay going into next year with no changes to the coaching and front office? Basically, continuing with Ron Rivera and Marty Hurney still running the show together.

If yes, make your argument as to why.

If no, ditto.

At this point, a vote for continuity is a vote for mediocrity....so it’s ditto for me.

[GoPanthers123]

Let’s see how we end the season.  There are problems so we will see how the staff handles them.

[tarheelpride]

5 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Saw this mentioned several times in the thread asking how long you could handle losing so I thought I'd go ahead and pose the question.

Is there anybody left who would be okay going into next year with no changes to the coaching and front office? Basically, continuing with Ron Rivera and Marty Hurney still running the show together.

If yes, make your argument as to why.

If no, ditto.

I'll take the bait and argue for both points:

 

I'd be ok with them for another year for the fact that they have not lost the team. Yes, they may be losing the fans, but the guys in the building still believe in the staff, and that means something. Norv has done a good job (relatively speaking) with Allen. We can expect growing pains on the defense, as we are switching schemes and may need more than one season to acclimate to the changes in scheme. The key here is adding the correct personnel on both sides on the ball to fix the pass blocking and run defense. Theoretically, if we shore those areas up, we will compete next year, irregardless of the QB situation. Your question precludes me from suggesting significant staffing changes need to be made underneath the HC and GM, but that's the best argument I can present. OF course, a division title and deep playoff run will ensure they're here for another year. Keep in mind, Tepper comes from the Steelers organization, who changes staff once every blue moon or so. 

 

But as to the why not (and the camp that I'm in), is multi-faceted. Rivera has shown he cannot adopt his playcalling and philosophy. His player and staff evaluation leaves something to be desired (allowing a BACKUP LT to come off the couch and basically start the whole year for us should be a fireable offense in and of himself. Don't get me started on Shula). He has a losing record against the division since our Super Bowl year (as well as a losing record over that period). He's gotten worse since the NFCCG. There's a good argument that Cam, and to a lesser extent, Luke, has carried his carcass to success, overcoming questionable decision making. Then there's Hurney, who it can be argued  should have never gotten this job a second time during that sham of an interview process. He has a losing record overall, despite putting together two super bowl teams. His draft record, outside the first round, leaves a lot to be desired. He has shown to have bad judgement with player contracts (look at the Stewart and Williams deals, James Anderson, Jake), which leaves me to believe he'd make the worst possible decision on Cam. If Tepper wants to make his imprint on this organization, I think it's time to clean house. I think his patience has run out.

 

Now, a question that I've been pondering for some time: Had Rivera won the Super Bowl, would we be more patient with him and more willing to give him another year? Would this apply to Hurney, even though he wasn't GM at the time, but was largely responsible for putting the team together?

[Car123]

5 hours ago, stbugs said:

I’m OK with doing worse. Not saying I want to lose more, but I’m willing to take a risk for a change. We have 0, I mean 0 shot at a SB win if we continue with the same leadership. I want some hope for a change.

Some are saying this now, but when we go 4-12 with a new coach those same people will be calling for his head.

[rayzor]

i'm hanging on by a thread as it is. barely made it to this year with an ounce of care and all ron and co. has done is worn that little thread down. 

I doubt I make it through another offseason with one or both of them still here. 

call me a bad fan if you want, but I just can't deal with much more of this poo. I won't deal with it. too much good stuff and fun stuff to focus on won't bring stress and disappointment. I used to envy PSL owners. I got over that a long time ago. I would like to enjoy being a fan again and unless things change drastically, I can't see that happening.

[Car123]

1 minute ago, stbugs said:

Maybe but I’m willing to hang in there and hope after the 4-12 season we reload in the draft. Do you see Ron and Marty getting us back to the promised land again? Who knows if Cam ever comes back to his 2015. He’s been hurt parts of every year since 2015 and he’s finished 1 of the past 4. I don’t see it so I’m all in on taking a chance on some new blood.

All Carolina needs is a good/healthy qb and we'll be back in it. 5-3 with the worst starting qb in the league is not bad.

[Zeek]

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Not having back-to-back winning seasons is a fireable offense for everyone including the ball boys.