Where's your threshold?

[trueblade]

The last time Rivera was in serious trouble, it's rumored that Hurney fell on his sword and had Richardson fire him instead. I wonder if he would again try to spare Rivera by having Tepper remove him. 

I think they've both got to go this time. 

[ncstatekwi]

25 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Lemme have your opinion of each of the following potential outcomes:

- Ron Rivera fired, Marty Hurney retained

- Marty Hurney fired, Ron Rivera retained

- Ron Rivera and Marty Hurney both fired

- Ron Rivera and Marty Hurney both retained

What level of turnover would it take for you to approve of the coming offseason?

At the end of the day it falls on the GM for getting the players in that can WIN!  We know that with the right talent at the right time and place RR can take the Panthers to the Super Bowl!!  I think Marty should go....let the next GM evaluate and get his personnel in place!  RR is a leader...but we need the entire cast...the current players and staff do not meet the standard! 

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

Worth remembering that Fox was never actually fired. The Panthers just didn't renew his contract.

Hurney by that point was working without a contract (something we all probably should have seen as a red flag) and it was Darin Gantt'z opinion that as long as Jerry Richardson was in charge, Marty was GM for life if he wanted to be.

Then Richardson wanted to fire Rivera, Marty fell on the sword to save him and things got really strange.

Part of me wonders how things would be different if Marty hadn't done that.

Yeah that's what I meant, I should have been more specific.  Fox was on the last year of his contract and was allowed to walk.  In retrospect I wish Hurney would have been gone with him.

[ickmule]

Mine was the super bowl loss and how the team looked the year after.  I haven’t really cared since.  

[sigchi22]

Rivera will work again as a head coach, mark it.

Hurney will never have a job in the NFL again, mark it.

 

Nuke it out of orbit.

 

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, sigchi22 said:

Rivera will work again as a head coach, mark it.

Hurney will never have a job in the NFL again, mark it.

 

Nuke it out of orbit.

 

Howdy, dude.

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

I think Rivera will get picked up elsewhere and be a culture change coach like John Fox was in Denver.  He'll have a couple of good seasons and possibly make a Super Bowl before regressing back to form and getting fired.

[sigchi22]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Howdy, dude.

 

See...I'm not dead.

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, sigchi22 said:

 

See...I'm not dead.

Me neither, though there's days I feel like I need someone to check 

[ellis]

 I’m really trying not to be an absolutist, because I hate that. I try to embrace the nuances of each situation. I’m finding very little reason to keep either one of them around.

But, I’ll keep an open mind.

 

 

 

 

But, at the same time, I think I’m ready to move forward

[ThPantherFan]

42 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

What level of turnover would it take for you to approve of the coming offseason?

That's easy, both fired on Monday.

[Jon Snow]

28 minutes ago, Sgt Schultz said:

- Ron Rivera fired, Marty Hurney retained.  Absolutely not.  That puts Hurney in position to select/help select the next coach, in addition to more roster building in the same pattern, and probably not addressing one of our biggest risks: what do we do if our starting QB is not able to finish the season.  My guess is the weaknesses will remain weaknesses. To me, this is the worst possible scenario. 

- Marty Hurney fired, Ron Rivera retained.  I can accept this in one scenario: Tepper lets the new GM evaluate the current staff, and the search/signing of said GM takes long enough to make replacing them impractical.  That means that unless Rivera's results here drastically change, he and the staff are out after 2020, anyway.  The downside is that it may mean 2020 is another status quo on the field.  The upside is it most likely is inevitable that the process ends with a complete housecleaning, just spread out over a year.

- Ron Rivera and Marty Hurney both fired.  My vote.  They can both be fired the day after the season ends, but I'd prefer the new GM is part of hiring a new coach.

- Ron Rivera and Marty Hurney both retained.  This just means the inevitable will take another year.  It will make me question Tepper's commitment to putting a better product on the field, which I have not yet done.

As for Zithers' problem, I highly recommend

This pretty much sums up how I feel about it.

[Jim Harbaugh]

The threshold was a year past.

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, Jim Harbaugh said:

The threshold was a year past.

Yeah, I don't think you're alone in that.