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Hurney should stay on with the Panthers...


Doc Holiday

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With the sole responsibility of making our First round draft pick! Nothing more or less!

if there is one thing I’m going to miss when good old Hurney is gone is the dude for better or worse has been amazing when drafting in the first round. I don’t think anyone here can argue otherwise especially when you stack him against the rest of the League. I mean he has drafted how many potential HOF caliber players? 

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Just now, Squirrel said:

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One dude who's career was cut short due to injury as much makes the OP's point as detracts from it. I'm ready for Hurney to go as much as most here, but the dude was solid with his first rounders. Find me another GM who had only a single bad first rounder in what, a dozen or so? Can't be too many out there.

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2 minutes ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

One dude who's career was cut short due to injury as much makes the OP's point as detracts from it. I'm ready for Hurney to go as much as most here, but the dude was solid with his first rounders. Find me another GM who had only a single bad first rounder in what, a dozen or so? Can't be too many out there.

2019: Brian Burns

2018: DJ Moore

2012: Luke Keuchly

2011: Cam Newton

2010: Everette Brown

2009: Jeff Otah

2008: Jonathan Stewart, Jeff Otah

2007: Jon Beason

2006: DeAngelo Williams

2005: Thomas Davis

2004: Chris Gamble

2003: Jordan Gross

2002: Julius Peppers

 

I must say, even with the obvious flubs in 2008-2010, that is pretty impressive. 

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Ugh....you know what is even more scary, to look at the rest of the first rounders combined. Basically only CMC and Dan Morgan were hits. Almost every other 1st round pick in Panthers history was some level of bust.

1995: Kerry Collins

1996: Tim Biakabutuka

1997: Rae Carruth

1998: Jason Peter

1999: None

2000: Rashard Anderson

2001: Dan Morgan

2013: Star Lotulelei(Not really a bust, just not a star player)

2014: Kelvin Benjamin

2015: Shaq Thompson(Not really a bust, just not a star player yet)

2016: Vernon Butler

2017: CMC

 

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There is more than 1 round to a draft.  I’m one of those people that think the entire draft is a crap shoot.   I mean, for gods sake, Trubisky was taken ahead of Mahomes and Watson.  If any team knew how good Mahomes was going to be they would have traded whatever the asking price was to move up and get him.  How many teams passed on Brees, Jackson, insert name here.  I’m sure everyone on here would gladly have selected Mahomes over CMC if given the chance. 

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