Kyle Allen Only Struggles Because of the OL

[kungfoodude]

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What's worse is that the problems don't appear to be getting better. Sunday should have been a great opportunity for Seattle to get its pass rush right, given that Pete Carroll's team was going up against eminently sackable Panthers quarterback Kyle Allen. Allen had a 9.5% sack rate heading into the game, the second-worst mark in the league among starters. The Seahawks sacked him once on 42 dropbacks. He was pressured on just 13.3% of those plays, the lowest rate for any quarterback in football in Week 15. He threw three interceptions, but quarterbacks who thrive without pressure are going to give the Seahawks trouble come this postseason.

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[WarPanthers89]

[SetfreexX]

I see what you did there...

[kungfoodude]

Just now, WarPanthers89 said:

I didn’t see where it said he only struggles because of the o line however...LOL At the title 

It's been said in here a BUNCH of times. To be sure they don't make life easy on him but his struggles are far from solely the turnstiles in front of him. The Seahawks game is evidence of that. As a QB he received the least pressure of any in Week 15, yet threw 3 INT's. 

Honestly, I had maintained that he was a good backup for us but I am starting to rethink that.

[TheRed]

It sure is an awful quiet Monday morning for the Kyle Allen fanclub.

[mav1234]

Just now, TheRed said:

It sure is an awful quiet Monday morning for the Kyle Allen fanclub.

Is there even such a thing these days?  Or is it a couple anti Cam trolls...?

[WarPanthers89]

6 minutes ago, Korda1981 said:

Allen gets worse every week infact I use to think he was a good backup for Cam now I don't even see him as a backup qb he is terrible.

People want to know why we don’t start Grier. Allen is a good example of why. He was once looked at as a possible starter, then backup, now even questionable for that. His confidence is gone, hopefully he can get it back, but why ruin two QBs when we can continue to develop Grier 

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, mav1234 said:

Is there even such a thing these days?  Or is it a couple anti Cam trolls...?

I think the majority of the pro-Allen crowd was just standard homers. But, even the homers can probably see the obvious at this point. 

I must admit I did not expect him to arguably keep getting worse. 

[TheRumGone]

Oh no! But that one guy in the gameday thread was saying this is a worse line than 2014 because Cam got sacked less that year. 

[kungfoodude]

Just now, WarPanthers89 said:

People want to know why we don’t start Grier. Allen is a good example of why. He was once looked at as a possible starter, then backup, now even questionable for that. His confidence is gone, hopefully he can get it back, but why ruin two QBs when we can continue to develop Grier 

I can't buy into that idea. If your confidence as a QB is that easy to shake, I don't think it's likely you have the mental make up to be a long term, successful, starting NFL QB. Bad games are going to happen. Bad streaks are going to happen. You have to battle through it. Elite, good and even average QB's in the league battle through that stuff. 

If Grier comes in and his confidence is irreparably shattered, was he ever going to be good?

At this point, I want to see Grier. Allen isn't going to win us any more games, the team has obviously given up, what is the downside of just getting a look at your drafted QB?

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, TheRumGone said:

Oh no! But that one guy in the gameday thread was saying this is a worse line than 2014 because Cam got sacked less that year. 

Yeah, I have already debunked the "worst OL in the NFL" and "worst OL in Panthers history" quotes. They're terrible, and we all know that, but all this "Brees/Brady/Mahomes/Jackson/2015 Cam couldn't play behind these guys" is pure garbage. 

[TheRumGone]

2 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Yeah, I have already debunked the "worst OL in the NFL" and "worst OL in Panthers history" quotes. They're terrible, and we all know that, but all this "Brees/Brady/Mahomes/Jackson/2015 Cam couldn't play behind these guys" is pure garbage. 

Imagine completely ignoring cams elite pocket presence and mobility and saying that a line that had Byron fuging bell, amini, and a converted te/dt Nate chandler on your line was better than this year. Dude is smoking crack.

[Mr. Scot]

I actually think this is the worst line I've seen the Panthers field.

That doesn't really excuse mistakes that Allen made, though. Not every miscue can be attributed to bad blocking.

[kungfoodude]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

I actually think this is the worst line I've seen the Panthers field.

That doesn't really excuse mistakes that Allen made, though. Not every miscue can be attributed to bad blocking.

Well, that doesn't bear out statistically. Not in pass protection. They aren't even the worst in the NFL. Maybe they end up there at the end of the season, but I kind of doubt it. Bottom five? Unquestionably.