A Name I think Should Be Under Heavy Consideration: Eric "Sleeping With" Bieniemy

[raz]

ne's gameplan yesterday gave me a better feeling about mcd than i'd had.  it was creative and had the bills d off balance.  not a good feeling, but better than it was

[Woodie]

8 hours ago, Gesualdo said:

i know people who got better over ten years and people who got worse over ten years. there's more in the first category than the second.

but when it comes to people who were glaring assholes ten years ago, most of them are in the latter category. most of them became bigger assholes.

that's all I'm saying here. there are very decent odds that mcdaniels is still a total POS.

really, the only evidence we have, in either direction, is how he handled the Indy situation. and how does that look?

there's been a recent attempt, very conveniently timed, to contextualize and soften that affair, but, hm, Indy people at the time sure didn't feel like he handled it in a classy way

I think you're overstating who he was at the time.  Yes, he was young and cocky.  And he clearly didn't handle having so much power well.  But there was nothing that said he was a POS asshole.  He needed to mature and develop more before taking so much responsibility, and common sense should tell us that both would logically occur over 10 years. 

Now, I get taking a "I'll believe it when I see it" approach, but dismissing him out of hand for something that took place 10 years ago is shortsighted.  None of us knows how he has changed or what he has learned, but we do know that he was held in high regard by the Patriot organization, and he had been rumored to be Belichick's heir apparent (until Bill decided he may coach a bit longer with his son taking on a bigger role).  So, if he was so bad, the team likely wouldn't have invested as much in him as they did...not to mention the fact they welcomed him back with open arms, even after the Denver fiasco.

As for the Indy thing, I don't think it has been so much a softening of the situation as finally hearing that there was more to the story than we knew at the time.  From what has been said, he didn't just back out and say "Screw You."  There were philosophical issues that came up late in the process that highlighted some big differences in how McDaniels and Ballard wanted to do things.  The problem is that the Colts publicly announce that McDaniels was going to be the HC before all the details were worked out and the contract signed.  Even at the time, there were those that said you don't do that until the contract is signed.  So, while it wasn't a good look, it wasn't as black and white as people thought at the time.

[SOJA]

pie for title alone

[Mr. Scot]

I haven't seen anything mentioning him by name, but Jason La Canfora did say that they'd be casting a wide net when it came to candidates, so it wouldn't be shocking if he got a look.

[1of10Charnatives]

11 hours ago, Gesualdo said:

 

 

why do people keep saying this, with no evidence?

has none of you ever encountered an asshole who stayed an asshole over time? or became more of an asshole, because the world kept rewarding them?

 

This.

My experience with h sapiens leads me to conclude that an adult asshole is likely to remain an asshole rather than mature to be a far safer default assumption than the inverse.

[Woodie]

3 hours ago, raz said:

ne's gameplan yesterday gave me a better feeling about mcd than i'd had.  it was creative and had the bills d off balance.  not a good feeling, but better than it was

Like McDaniels as a person or not, he runs a very good offense.  One thing I love about it is how adaptive it is.  He adjusts his schemes and play calling to the personnel he has, and even changes them from game to game to attack the opponent's weaknesses rather than stick to what they do regardless of the opponent.  I also think his offense would be an ideal fit for our playmakers.

No matter who we bring in, we need to fix the OL and figure out the QB situation.  And if we are hiring an offensive coach who will also act as the OC, similar to Payton and Reid, (which has been rumored), that coach needs to hire an established DC and at least one coach with HC experience to lean on.  But if we do hire McDaniels and are able to fix the OL and QB situation, I really think our offense could be special.

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, Woodie said:

Like McDaniels as a person or not, he runs a very good offense.  One thing I love about it is how adaptive it is.  He adjusts his schemes and play calling to the personnel he has, and even changes them from game to game to attack the opponent's weaknesses rather than stick to what they do regardless of the opponent.  I also think his offense would be an ideal fit for our playmakers.

No matter who we bring in, we need to fix the OL and figure out the QB situation.  And if we are hiring an offensive coach who will also act as the OC, similar to Payton and Reid, (which has been rumored), that coach needs to hire an established DC and at least one coach with HC experience to lean on.  But if we do hire McDaniels and are able to fix the OL and QB situation, I really think our offense could be special.

Yeah, that's my thing.

McDaniels is what I call a "judo" coach. He adapts what he does and finds a way to use what you do against you. Rivera is more of a "karate" coach, i.e. just keep punching and kicking.

There's no denying that McDaniels is extremely good at adjusting, something we've been missing here for years. He's a legitimate chess master when all we've dealt with for the past 20 years is checker players.

As I've mentioned, he's definitely not my favorite choice, but at the same time it's pretty tough to deny that he's very good at what he does.

[jumpman910]

13 hours ago, Gesualdo said:

 

 

why do people keep saying this, with no evidence?

has none of you ever encountered an asshole who stayed an asshole over time? or became more of an asshole, because the world kept rewarding them?

 

I could give two fugs about him being an asshole. I only care if the guy has improved his craft after his first stint he wasn't ready for. 

[Mr. Scot]

12 minutes ago, jumpman910 said:

I could give two fugs about him being an asshole. I only care if the guy has improved his craft after his first stint he wasn't ready for. 

Having arguably the nicest guy in the league as our coach didn't exactly translate to success.

[LinvilleGorge]

It was widely reported in Denver that McDaniels completely and utterly lost the respect of everyone in that organization and in the locker room. The former largely because of the videotaping scandal and baffling roster decisions. The former because as things came spiraling downward on the field, McDaniels basically retreated into a shell and pretty much wouldn't talk to anyone. He didn't even make it through his second season. He was fired after week 13 when they were 3-9.

It was a train wreck.

[steven8989]

Please no don't want another Andy Reid clone that always wins divisions but can't never win the conference championship or SB

[Mr. Scot]

Depending on who gets the second seed in the AFC playoffs, Bieniemy could be available to interview this coming weekend. 

Or Josh McDaniels could 

[mc52beast]

I’m really not impressed by any of the possible candidates right now. Definitely don’t like McCarthy, if Tepper hires him the Panthers will gain permanent residence in the South basement. McDaniels has been calling the Pats offense for years, but his questionable history worries me. Roman from Baltimore and Stefanski from Minnesota are my two choices from guys already in the NFL.

Really don’t want anyone from college, numbers show they fail miserably