Cam Newton's Vegan Diet: Should he stay if he remains a vegan?

[CRA]

5 minutes ago, CBDellinger said:

I am gonna go out on a limb here... I bet Cam has a nutritionist advising him and that guy knows more about it than we do. 

 

probably does.  But Cam's actual personal health.....and what is best in terms of football play (which isn't really a natural thing for the body) might run counter. 

[CBDellinger]

3 minutes ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

Every rocket scientist knows more about it than I do, but I only need Google to determine necessary escape velocity from Earth's atmosphere. It seems fairly straightforward that vegan diets require significant overcompensation in order to consume the necessary calorie count and nutrition to sustain a pro athlete's energy and recovery needs. I agree that Newton probably has a nutrtionist, but professionals in the private employ of the wealthy are only advisors. We don't know what goes on there, but we do know that he has less weight, seems to be less durable and powerful than in the past, and that these things can be a consequence of vegan diets not providing all that is needed to an athletic body. So the evidence we have available does suggest that his diet could be an issue despite any professional advice.

We dont know poo about the construct of his diet.  There are plenty of athletes that live healthily and perform well on a vegetarian diet.  You just dont see it talked about in the news. 

Trying to draw conclusions like "h3 hurTz h1s f00t cuz he dont eAt th3 m3atz" is an asinine adventure.  But by all means, knock yourselves out. 

[t96]

9 minutes ago, CRA said:

probably does.  But Cam's actual personal health.....and what is best in terms of football play (which isn't really a natural thing for the body) might run counter. 

Of course they do, this is true of every single professional sport. To play sports at an elite level like this it requires a sacrifice of personal health. That’s just the reality. Can’t really have it both ways and if Cam is trying to do that then I don’t think we can keep him, as he’ll never play at a high level again. I’m not convinced that’s the case though. I think his shoulder is a bigger concern than his diet.

[hepcat]

1 minute ago, CBDellinger said:

We dont know poo about the construct of his diet.  There are plenty of athletes that live healthily and perform well on a vegetarian diet.  You just dont see it talked about in the news. 

Trying to draw conclusions like "h3 hurTz h1s f00t cuz he dont eAt th3 m3atz" is an asinine adventure.  But by all means, knock yourselves out. 

Cam has said "I'm a vegan now" with his own mouth. The root of this post was addressing the nutritional deficits of a vegan diet, which is well researched by experts.

Cam has played in 2 out of 16 games since becoming a vegan, those are the conclusions I'm drawing.

And also, a vegetarian diet includes animal products like eggs, which other vegan athletes like Gerald McCoy had to start eating to get enough nutrients to keep playing professional football.

It doesn't look like you read the article.

[1of10Charnatives]

3 minutes ago, CBDellinger said:

We dont know poo about the construct of his diet.  There are plenty of athletes that live healthily and perform well on a vegetarian diet.  You just dont see it talked about in the news. 

Trying to draw conclusions like "h3 hurTz h1s f00t cuz he dont eAt th3 m3atz" is an asinine adventure.  But by all means, knock yourselves out. 

I'm not drawing any conclusions, and I never asserted anything about his diet other than what has been publicly stated. What I did say, if you read my post carefully and in an unbiased way, is that the available information we do have about the change in his performance would be consistent with possible negative effects that vegan diets have been demonstrated to have for pro athletes in the past.

Please do not try to rephrase carefully considered statements as mindless gibberish. It's needlessly disrespectful and says more about you than it does about me.

[CBDellinger]

4 minutes ago, hepcat said:

Cam has said "I'm a vegan now" with his own mouth. The root of this post was addressing the nutritional deficits of a vegan diet, which is well researched by experts.

Cam has played in 2 out of 16 games since becoming a vegan, those are the conclusions I'm drawing.

And also, a vegetarian diet includes animal products like eggs, which other vegan athletes like Gerald McCoy had to start eating to get enough nutrients to keep playing professional football.

It doesn't look like you read the article.

I read it, then and now... same thing, its speculation.  Unless you know what his actually eating theres now way to be sure.

But its pretty unlikely that his shoulder injury last year, which was a byproduct of his previous injury or his foot injury, which is pretty common, were caused by his diet. 

 

 

[1of10Charnatives]

1 minute ago, CBDellinger said:

I read it, then and now... same thing, its speculation.  Unless you know what his actually eating theres now way to be sure.

But its pretty unlikely that his shoulder injury last year, which was a byproduct of his previous injury or his foot injury, which is pretty common, were caused by his diet. 

 

 

Nope. Didn't read the article. If you had, you'd know the point is not and has never been that vegan diets are the cause of injuries, Literally no one here has argued that. The problem with vegan diets is the caloric deficits and vitamin deficiencies lead to less than optimal recovery. Hrm, what have we seen with Cam's foot and shoulder injuries? Frustratingly long recoveries that seem markedly different from anything in his prior experience. This may or may not be related to his diet, but you're clearly not understanding what's being said before just slinging poo at people.

[hepcat]

9 minutes ago, CBDellinger said:

I read it, then and now... same thing, its speculation.  Unless you know what his actually eating theres now way to be sure.

But its pretty unlikely that his shoulder injury last year, which was a byproduct of his previous injury or his foot injury, which is pretty common, were caused by his diet. 

 

 

Do we know if Cam is eating a true vegan diet? You're right, we don't.

But it's not speculation that a vegan diet causes a long list of nutritional deficiencies, and those deficiencies can cause loss of muscle mass and slowed healing from injury.

Regardless of his shoulder injury or foot injury, if Cam is eating a true vegan diet, it's something that must be considered when evaluating his place on the Panthers next season. You'd better believe an analytical guy like David Tepper is taking that into account.

[Tepper's Chest Hair]

I don't know anything about the topic, but let me google it for like 5 minutes so I can be an expert, too.

[CBDellinger]

9 minutes ago, hepcat said:

Do we know if Cam is eating a true vegan diet? You're right, we don't.

But it's not speculation that a vegan diet causes a long list of nutritional deficiencies, and those deficiencies can cause loss of muscle mass and slowed healing from injury.

Regardless of his shoulder injury or foot injury, if Cam is eating a true vegan diet, it's something that must be considered when evaluating his place on the Panthers next season. You'd better believe an analytical guy like David Tepper is taking that into account.

I hope a guy like Tepper hires (or retains) the right folks to ensure all of his players nutritional needs are met regardless of their personal diet.  

[CatTower]

[Mr. Freezy Pop]

4 minutes ago, CatTower said:

 

[CBDellinger]

18 minutes ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

Nope. Didn't read the article. If you had, you'd know the point is not and has never been that vegan diets are the cause of injuries, Literally no one here has argued that. The problem with vegan diets is the caloric deficits and vitamin deficiencies lead to less than optimal recovery. Hrm, what have we seen with Cam's foot and shoulder injuries? Frustratingly long recoveries that seem markedly different from anything in his prior experience. This may or may not be related to his diet, but you're clearly not understanding what's being said before just slinging poo at people.

Youre getting worked up over general statements.  I didnt claim anyone said that.  Settle down and type McDorkface more.  It's funny and fitting.

[Jackofalltrades]

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