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[Anybodyhome]

3 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Cam's nagging injuries are not career threatening, moreso a product of cumulative beatings. I wouldn't say that any of them is specifically a concern but the multitude of the injuries is. 

Lis franc injuries are not the result of "cumulative beatings."

Lis franc injuries are career threatening and, if you haven't read, require 6-8 weeks with no weight on the foot followed by another 6-8 weeks of rehab until full exercise is approved by the doc. Do the math and see where the draft falls on your calendar and where Cam's rehab is. 

[kungfoodude]

Just now, Anybodyhome said:

Lis franc injuries are not the result of "cumulative beatings."

Lis franc injuries are career threatening and, if you haven't read, require 6-8 weeks with no weight on the foot followed by another 6-8 weeks of rehab until full exercise is approved by the doc. Do the math and see where the draft falls on your calendar and where Cam's rehab is. 

Yeah, the foot injury is not career threatening. 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000281549/article/nfl-orthopedic-surgeon-lisfranc-foot-ailment-is-bizarre-injury

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How long does rehabilitation take for such an injury?

The question is do they need surgery or not need surgery? We see a lot of stable Lisfranc injuries that don't require surgery. But because the ligaments are still stretched or damaged in some way, it could be 6-8 weeks before a player can come back from even a non-operative Lisfranc sprain. There's some doctors and general managers in the league that basically think that if they get a player with a Lisfranc injury, even it is non-operative, they will go ahead and put him on the (injured reserve list).

There are situations where the Lisfranc needs to be operated on. If the joint is out of place or has a bone injury or has significant instability, then those are reasons for surgery and surgery is basically done to stabilize those joint injuries with a combination of screws or metal plates. That can take 5-6 months to recover from surgery. I tell most of the players, it's not a career-ending injury, but it certainly can be a season-ending injury if they have to have surgery.

As I said, the question is more about Cam just taking all these beatings(that is his second foot/ankle injury and has had two shoulder injuries). 

[The Lobo]

1 hour ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

Wait. 

I just pied you but does this mean you’re bailing on the Panthers or what?

Why would I bail?

[Anybodyhome]

36 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Yeah, the foot injury is not career threatening. 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000281549/article/nfl-orthopedic-surgeon-lisfranc-foot-ailment-is-bizarre-injury

As I said, the question is more about Cam just taking all these beatings(that is his second foot/ankle injury and has had two shoulder injuries). 

Might want to read the NIH version.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27166291

"More than 90% of NFL athletes who sustained Lisfranc injuries returned to play in the NFL at a median of 11.1 months from time of injury."

So, you're willing to pay Cam $20M and wait for him to maybe come back by June or July? Or better yet, go ahead and draft Tua, who's already had 2 ankle surgeries and a hip surgery.

And if you really believe a lisfranc isn't career threatening, you had your head in the sand when Greg Olsen went down... twice... for the same injury.

[(ATL'ien)CamNewton]

48 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

Why do you assume this?

Well .. he threw 51 times his last time out for 330 Yards .. and he's had .. months .. now to rest his arm

[*FreeFua*]

1 minute ago, (ATL'ien)CamNewton said:

Well .. he threw 51 times his last time out for 330 Yards .. and he's had .. months .. now to rest his arm

So?

No one knows where Cam’s shoulder is at period. 

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, stbugs said:

SD was grooming Rivers of course they didn’t care where Brees went. It was a severe injury but a one time thing fixed by surgery. There was no lingering or repetitive injury it was a one time thing and the worry was if it would take. It did and again Brees missed 0 time. So catastrophic that he didn’t miss a game? If the survey was unsuccessful then the sure, it’s catastrophic but it didn’t and it is now a fluff piece about Brees’ miracle that you guys are lapping up.

I don’t get the idea that a one time, non lingering issue where Brees missed 0 games is somehow worse than a four year lingering mess of injuries where Cam hasn’t finished 3 of 4 years and was clearly getting worse. 2018, he could barely throw the ball the second half and then as a running QB he misses 14 games due to a foot surgery?

You guys are blowing smoke up your own asses trying to act like Brees’ injury is somehow worse when he had one successful surgery and missed no time for 13 more years after until he hurt his thumb. SMH. 

I mean, you can paint the scenario to fit your narrative all you want but the history of Rivers/Brees in San Diego has been pretty well documented, same with the injury to Brees. That was just one of the few sources that actually had in depth details on what the injury was specifically. 

And, yes, it was unarguably more serious than any of Cam's injuries so far. The cumulative injuries absolutely are a concern, as they would be with any NFL player with that kind of injury history. 

 

[Paa Langfart]

1 hour ago, (ATL'ien)CamNewton said:

He's a little guy .. and that was a major shoulder injury.

We have a big guy, and he's done, from less serious injuries.

recovery from injuries doesn't give a damn how big or little you are.

[Paa Langfart]

3 minutes ago, Anybodyhome said:

if you really believe a lisfranc isn't career threatening, you had your head in the sand when Greg Olsen went down... twice... for the same injury.

Olsen had a Jones fracture.  Completely different things.  Not even close.

[1of10Charnatives]

8 minutes ago, The Lobo said:

Why would I bail?

did you mean LFG as looking for group?

[kungfoodude]

4 minutes ago, Anybodyhome said:

Might want to read the NIH version.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27166291

"More than 90% of NFL athletes who sustained Lisfranc injuries returned to play in the NFL at a median of 11.1 months from time of injury."

So, you're willing to pay Cam $20M and wait for him to maybe come back by June or July? Or better yet, go ahead and draft Tua, who's already had 2 ankle surgeries and a hip surgery.

And if you really believe a lisfranc isn't career threatening, you had your head in the sand when Greg Olsen went down... twice... for the same injury.

Lol. So you want to support your career ending argument with a study that states....

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While 2 of 28 (7.1%) players never returned to the NFL, 26 (92.9%) athletes returned to competition

And when did I make any statement about the time he would miss? He was injured in August. If he takes 11 months to heal, so be it. If he takes 11 months from his surgery date(in Dec), then the decision to move on will probably already be made, won't it? 

And, not sure if you are aware but guess who played a whole season on a twice injured foot? Greg Olsen.

[mc52beast]

1 hour ago, beastson said:

 

We have three qb’s. He didn’t say the qb had to be good.

[The Lobo]

1 minute ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

did you mean LFG as looking for group?

Let’s Effing Go

[kungfoodude]

2 minutes ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

did you mean LFG as looking for group?

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