Postgame issue with Odell Beckham and LSU players

[Butterflyj30]

Wow how stupid

[weyco2000]

[weyco2000]

[TheBlue]

3 hours ago, Jon Snow said:

If you agreed to it how can you bitch about it?  That's like signing up to let Mike Tyson punch you in the face for a chance at winning the lottery and then bitching because you got your teeth knocked out and didn't win poo.

answer the question. is it ok for apple to sew your mouth to the butthole of someone else just because you agreed to it?

[The Huddler]

7 hours ago, Jon Snow said:

Just because a rule is dumb doesn't mean you are allowed to break it.  Don't like the rule? Change it or help change it.  Until then you know what it is and the consequences for breaking it.  It's not rocket surgery.

[Jon Snow]

4 hours ago, TheBlue said:

answer the question. is it ok for apple to sew your mouth to the butthole of someone else just because you agreed to it?

Not for the someone else unless they too agreed to it as well.  If all parties agree then neither can bitch and whine about what they agreed to.  Who is the 3rd party in this?  

[cookinbrak]

11 hours ago, TheBlue said:

If a rule is unlawful/unjust you 100% should be able to break it. Keeping people from making money while they work for you is....slavery.

They don't work for anybody. They can walk away at any moment.

It's no different than a student studying medicine or law. They're just working to get a better job after college.

[CRA]

11 hours ago, TheBlue said:

stfu. its not complicated at all. pay the kids for their value. 

sure it is extremely complicated.  Hence why your argument is just pay them.  That's it.  That's your argument.  Nothing more to it. 

Tell me what a Joe Burrow should of been paid this season

Tell me what the 3rd string S on LSY should of been paid this season

Tell me what Trevor Lawrence should of been paid this season

Tell me what the QB at Wake Forest should of been paid this season

The DB at the Citadel.

The woman who does the backstroke on the woman's swim team at Lander. 

If it is so simple....start with what amount would be realistic for them or what formula should be used

Once we establish whatever system you have in place to pay them? Then we can move and talk about the impacts of paying them. 

It isn't simple.  Let them go pro straight from high school if they want.  Let them go after a year.  Who cares.  That is the smart first step.   

[hanklee89]

49 minutes ago, CRA said:

sure it is extremely complicated.  Hence why your argument is just pay them.  That's it.  That's your argument.  Nothing more to it. 

Tell me what a Joe Burrow should of been paid this season

Tell me what the 3rd string S on LSY should of been paid this season

Tell me what Trevor Lawrence should of been paid this season

Tell me what the QB at Wake Forest should of been paid this season

The DB at the Citadel.

The woman who does the backstroke on the woman's swim team at Lander. 

If it is so simple....start with what amount would be realistic for them or what formula should be used

Once we establish whatever system you have in place to pay them? Then we can move and talk about the impacts of paying them. 

It isn't simple.  Let them go pro straight from high school if they want.  Let them go after a year.  Who cares.  That is the smart first step.   

1. Whatever the market dictates. If a booster wants to write a check for $150K, great. If it's $300K, great. 

2. See above. 

3. See No. 1

4. See No. 1

5. See No. 1

6. See No. 1

Private entities (in this case, booster departments) can pay their employees whatever they want. By having kids get paid endorsements off their NLI, the schools avoid the hassle of paying them and making them employees in the eyes of the government. If Trevor Lawrence is worth $1 million to Nike or whoever wants to endorse him, so be it. There will be market correction after these boosters get burned by kids who are busts out of high school. Until then, the first wave of paid players are gonna get taken care of very well. 

[4Corners]

2 minutes ago, hanklee89 said:

1. Whatever the market dictates. If a booster wants to write a check for $150K, great. If it's $300K, great. 

2. See above. 

3. See No. 1

4. See No. 1

5. See No. 1

6. See No. 1

Private entities (in this case, booster departments) can pay their employees whatever they want. By having kids get paid endorsements off their NLI, the schools avoid the hassle of paying them and making them employees in the eyes of the government. If Trevor Lawrence is worth $1 million to Nike or whoever wants to endorse him, so be it. There will be market correction after these boosters get burned by kids who are busts out of high school. Until then, the first wave of paid players are gonna get taken care of very well. 

What is going to stop bogus and fraudulent endorsements as a way of laundering bribe money for a kid to commit to a school? We already know schools like duke, LSU, Ohio State, Arizona, Kentucky, Kansas, NC State are cheating- are you ok with it as long as it is out in the open?

[hanklee89]

1 minute ago, 4Corners said:

What is going to stop bogus and fraudulent endorsements as a way of laundering bribe money for a kid to commit to a school? We already know schools like duke, LSU, Ohio State, Arizona, Kentucky, Kansas, NC State are cheating- are you ok with it as long as it is out in the open?

If things are above board, yeah. I don't have any problem at all with kids using their skills for compensation. If a kid is shooting ads for Gatorade or Nike, those companies aren't fly by night. As you said, we're all being naive if we don't think they're being taken care of in the first place. The only thing better than a great coach at the college level is a great team of bagmen. 

If these deals are out in the open, it's not a bribe. And I don't think there would be nearly as much funneling kids to school as a lot of people think because of how incestuous relationships are in the sports world. For example, Nike isn't sending kids to Oregon because they make way more money in equipment sales to other schools than they'd get making Oregon an all-star team. 

[4Corners]

1 minute ago, hanklee89 said:

If things are above board, yeah. I don't have any problem at all with kids using their skills for compensation. If a kid is shooting ads for Gatorade or Nike, those companies aren't fly by night. As you said, we're all being naive if we don't think they're being taken care of in the first place. The only thing better than a great coach at the college level is a great team of bagmen. 

If these deals are out in the open, it's not a bribe. And I don't think there would be nearly as much funneling kids to school as a lot of people think because of how incestuous relationships are in the sports world. For example, Nike isn't sending kids to Oregon because they make way more money in equipment sales to other schools than they'd get making Oregon an all-star team. 

I agree that these kids are being exploited but I don’t necessarily agree entirely with NIL. It’s a slippery slope. 

[hanklee89]

4 minutes ago, 4Corners said:

I agree that these kids are being exploited but I don’t necessarily agree entirely with NIL. It’s a slippery slope. 

I'm very thankful it's not my problem to fix lol. I think the biggest problem we have is the two extreme ends of the discussion are making all the noise. 

 

We have those shouting kids should basically become contract employees and the exact opposite controlling the discussion. I think my opinion on this changed when we added the playoff and thus added more games to the schedule of supposed amateur athletes. If they could find a way to get the regular season back to 11 games (maybe 10, even), I'd like that, especially if we can get rid of those awful pay games where FCS teams get slaughtered by power schools for a couple hundred grand. 

[4Corners]

12 minutes ago, hanklee89 said:

I'm very thankful it's not my problem to fix lol. I think the biggest problem we have is the two extreme ends of the discussion are making all the noise. 

 

We have those shouting kids should basically become contract employees and the exact opposite controlling the discussion. I think my opinion on this changed when we added the playoff and thus added more games to the schedule of supposed amateur athletes. If they could find a way to get the regular season back to 11 games (maybe 10, even), I'd like that, especially if we can get rid of those awful pay games where FCS teams get slaughtered by power schools for a couple hundred grand. 

One thing that a lot of these powerhouse programs are doing like Alabama and Ohio State is trying to keep the athletes secluded as much as possible. They already have their own private dining and residence halls. Their own private facilities and gyms. For a lot of these guys they are professional athletes already because we all know some of them are getting paid. Look at what was speculated regarding Zion and duke - his parents got a house from a duke booster in a nice area in Durham, siblings in private school and his mom got a bogus job working for Nike. there has to be some sort of middle ground to compensate these kids without opening the doors to legalize cheating.