Marty's enormous BRAIN

[Chief Keek]

The only hope now is for Rhule to make it up for Hurney's lack of talent evaluation.

[Waldo]

1 hour ago, tiger7_88 said:

I really don't understand how people have concocted reasons as to how it can be anything else.

He's the GENERAL MANAGER.

Tepper *chose* to have him stay as the GENERAL MANAGER.

Tepper obviously LIKES him personally and professionally.

In other words...

HE'S THE GENERAL MANAGER.

Everyone needs to face the truth.

You look at it as if there is only one predefined power structure. I don't know what that looks like now for us. How much input does the coach have? How about the owner? How much power does the GM have in NE? Or in Dallas? Hell Gruden picked his GM and Ron is in the process of doing that. There is more than a little unknown at this point. You act as if the way the team was run in the past is automatically the way it is run now. I am waiting to see how this all plays out. Maybe Hurney is 2nd only to Tepper or maybe he is just another guy who reports to Tepper. It's not like an NFL owner has never played with their team like a toy before...cough Al Davis and Jerry Jones. 

My point stands, the more power Hurney has the worse we will do. 13 years of evidence of his impotence in the league. That's the truth I am facing. What kind of damage he is allowed do is the only thing I don't know at this point. 

 

[MHS831]

 

1 hour ago, micnificent28 said:

Well the thread op says just that.

Did he?  He said that Marty will feel (Statements prefaced by "What is (Marty) thinking now?") as if LT has been addressed, unless the concussion issue is in play.  It was speculation that Marty will feel that he has already addressed LT.  There is a difference.

[RumHam]

11 hours ago, MHS831 said:

We spend a lot of time discussing what we would do in free agency and the draft, and the only constant we have to rely on is the legend--Marty Hurney.  So what can we surmise about him based on previous experiences?  Here is what I recall, and maybe you can add to this (these are some random thoughts to consider in an effort to form an educated guess):

1.   He was historically terrible at drafting or signing free agent DTs.  He simply did not seem to value the position.  At the moment, it looks as if we have 1 DT who will be on the roster in 2020.  KK Short. Are we counting on Marty to develop that position?  See his DT draft history below (note: DT free agency is no better).

2. He is also not great at finding talent at key positions--but his first rounds have been excellent.   His first round picks are solid--Peppers, Gross, Gamble, Davis, Beason, Williams, Stewart, Otah, Newton, Moore, Burns.  He screwed up twice (Otah, Brown) trading away first rounders, however.

3.  Aside from Gamble and maybe Norman, what CB has he drafted?   Richard Marshall, RJ Stanford, Robert McClain, Brandon Hogan, Josh Norman (good for a season).  Not great.

4.  Take a look at his WR prowess.  Aside from Moore, and Norv Turner was heavily involved in that decision, who?:  Walter Young, Drew Carter, Keary Colbert (2nd round), Rhyne Robinson, Dwayne Jarrett (2nd round), David Gettis, Armanti Edwards, Brandon Lafell, Kealoha Pilares.  Yikes!!! Now, this draft is loaded at WR--no way Hurney misses out on this, right?

5. OT: What does Jordan Gross have in common with Lee Ziemba? Jeff Otah? Rashard Butler?  Joe Berger?  NOTHING, except they are the Tackles drafted by Hurney.  Aside from Otah, only Gamecocks' Travelle Wharton (moved to G) and Dennis Daley (may be moved to G), there is nothing of value in that group---save Gross.

There are many reasons to question his decisions as a GM--contracts such as Jake Delhomme's after surgery and non-contracts such as Julius Peppers. 

So what is he thinking now?  Remember, the key positions listed above--OT, CB, QB, DT, and WR---all positions where we need help.  What is Marty thinking with that enormous Brain?:

• LT:  He drafted 2 last year that played as rookies.  They are fine and Moton is pretty solid.
• CB: Trying to re-sign Bradberry, Cockrell.  We have Jackson.  A need, but not a priority unless we don't sign Bradberry.
• QB: Cam.  I get the feeling that this is not his call.  Marty extended Jake Delhomme after surgery and really had no backup plan.  Will he make the same move again?  Drafting a QB is not his thing--the way he jumped on Clausen a decade ago when teams that were thirsty for a qb passed on him.  Yes, he drafted Cam--but the reason he got that decision was due to picking Clausen. 
• DT:  Did you ever get the idea that Marty HATES DTs?  That is because he does.  Take a look at his draft history:
  • 2018:  7th round:  Kendrick Norton
  • 2011: 3rd round: Terrell McClain, Sione Fua
  • 2009: 3rd round: Corvey Irvin
  • 2008: Fifth round: Nick Hayden
  • 2005: Third round; Atyyah Ellison
  • 2003: Fifth Round: Kindall Moorehead

He has never drafted a DT above the third round.  His best picks were fifth rounders. 3 times he has busted on third round DTs--he is 0-3 in the third at DT.

FREE AGENT DTs:  He inherited Jenkins and Buckner.  Who are they?

So if we have (assuming Poe is gone) one DT on the roster, can Marty screw up here?  I think not.  Barring the sudden need for a QB--and maybe even if QB is a need---he has to go DT in the first round because he sucks at picking them later (disclaimer: The only first round DT in Panther history?  Star--Gettlemen's pick.  He also picked KK Short, only the second, second round DT in Panther draft history (Kris Jenkins was the other).  So it seems we have drafted well at DT in the first and second rounds when Marty Hurney is not the GM.

 

Summary:  It seems, if you look at it from Marty's perspective and he has the same powers given him in the past, that Marty will consider OT covered unless the concussion concern is a big issue.   It is unlikely he will bury one of his high picks from the year before, but he did that with Cam and Clausen.  Still, if we cut Poe, that almost necessitates a DT in rounds 1 and/or 2.  The talent seems to drop off a bit after round 2.  Until the Cam situation is resolved, we do not know much, but we should expect a DT early.  I think we will add one or even two in free agency and add a draft pick.  Marty will draft a WR, even thought he can't, because it is too deep of a draft and we do have a need--just not a huge need.  I do not see a QB in this draft unless one of the top 3 become available--then he may not.  CB is possible, but I am guessing he will throw the bank at Bradberry to avoid making a CB pick in the draft-historically, he seems to throw numbers at the position, like he did RG for years. He drafted 3 CBs one year, hoping one would stick.  Aside from Gamble and Norman, he has not hit on CBs in the draft with much accuracy--and I am not one who sees but 1 solid Norman season in 4, but for a fifth rounder, it is what it is.

Not many are discussing DE--and I think Marty might go there early (day 2). 

If Marty's history is true to form, LB Simmons is in play in the first round.  He would have to go DT in the second in that case, so I see Blacklock as a solid pick.  In the third, a CB or WR.  Marty likes the first round home runs at positions he feels confident will succeed--like RB, LB, and DE.  He has drafted first rounders at DE twice (Peppers Burns--and Brown if you count trading a first rounder for a player), RB twice (Stewart, Williams), LB three times (Keuchly, Beason, Davis).  Other first rounders are QB (Cam), LT (Gross), CB (Gamble), and WR Moore, thanks to Norv).  However, if you start in 2005 with Davis, 5 of his 8 first rounders were RBs or LBs. 

If it is based purely on need, DT or QB is the pick.  While OT does not seem likely, the concussion thing could change that.

While the draft seems to be aligned with Panther needs, the GM's history is not. 

Pure speculation based on his history-what say you all?

 

 

This is why id rather not spend a time and everyone he drafts this year will probably be cut.

[My Goodness My Guinness]

6 hours ago, JawnyBlaze said:

QB is not a need. Our needs are OT and DT, less pressing are DE and S and maybe LB. 

All I want to see is an offensive line that can block for at least 1 second

[TN05]

"If you take away the good stuff he did, look how bad he is! Hurney sucks! Pie please!"

I had to stop reading after the first one because saying "historically awful" about a guy who signed at least a handful of decent defensive tackles, some of whom started for years (Shane Burton, Ma'ake Kemoeatu,  Damione Lewis, Dwan Edwards). If you're going to make claims, they need to be accurate.

[MHS831]

5 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Who thinks they're fine and what are they basing this off of?

Both looked worse and worse the more they played and Little wasn't available much due to injury. The guy some want to pencil in at LT has to both play a lot better AND prove he can stay healthy. 

And nobody said that here--we said that Marty would consider the position addressed and focus on other needs.

[Moo Daeng]

Why don't you just wait to see what happens instead of repeating what's been said a thousand times?